Tired of The Ring Belt

the ring isn't in the business of making fights, I agree that you shouldn't be able to keep a ranking forever if you never fight top contenders. However, all the people at ring could vote someone out of a championship spot, I hope, if that is what it takes.

Belt orgs don't even rate other champs, its absurd.

 

From the Ring:

Now show me a belt that is more transparent and realistic than The Ring belt?

The IBF's Welter rankings?
Champ: Jan Zaveck

1. Rafael Jackiwicz
2. NOT RATED
3. Selcuk Aydin
4. Isaac Hlatshwayo
5. Delvin Rodriguez
6. Randall Bailey
7. Jackson Bonsu
8. Luis Collazo
9. Carlos Abregu
10. Alfonso Gomez
11. Mike Jones
12. Said Ouali
13. Jesus Soto-Karass
14. Sebastian Lujuan
15. James Delarosa

The WBC's 140 lbs ranking?

Devon Alexander

1. Ionut Dan Ion
2. Ajose Olusegun
3. Ali Chebah
4. Cesar Cuenca
5. Paul Malignaggi
6. Prawet Singwangcha
7. Jungbum Kim
8. Paul McCloskey
9. Souleymane M’Baye
10. Josesito Lopez
11. Mike Alvarado
12. Juan Diaz
13. Jose Miguel Cotto
14. Giuseppe Lauri
15. Brandon Rios

The WBA 135 ones?

JMM
Paulua Moses
Miguel Acosta

1. NOT RATED
2. Anthony Peterson
3. Ali Funeka
4. Urbano Antillon
5. Oscar Jesus Pereyra
6. Brandon rios
7. Miguel Vasquez
8. Akihiro Kondo
9. Ameth Diaz
10. Dorin Spivey
11. Darley Perez
12. Ryuji Migaki
13. Takehiro Shimada
14. Ricardo Dominguez
15. Saddam Kietyongyuth

The Ring is corrupt because Oscar owns it, even though he's not on the ratings board? Even though you don't pay a cent in sanctioning fees to defend/fight for the title? Is it the Rings fault that modern boxing routinely does NOT feature the best fighting the best for a myriad of reasons?

I'm not suggesting its perfect - Far from it - But what belt/org does it right?

 

if it is a unification bout they are probably going to go 50 / 50 unless one guy is a bigger name or trying to price himself out, but its absurd absurd absurd in terms of rankings not to rank everyone

it is patently absurd on its face

I understand that the belt orgs are more connected to reality in the sense that they effect what matches are being made but they are still fairly meaningless.

It would be more accurate to at least rate other champions, instead it allows you to never fight the other champions because they get removed from your list of opponents automatically, that is quite bad

 

People on ESB get a bit ridiculous over the Ring title and dont realise it is just a guide for for fans to know who the best fighters are in the murky world of alphabet soup titles. It is not a proper world title and if all you have is the Ring belt you can claim your fighter was a world champ.

Best example, Calzaghe fans always say Joe retired a tow weight world champ but in fact he was only a one weight world champ.

 

the fighters and who they fight are what to look at, not the belts

 

It is flawed, but it is the best system out there.

 

someone who has a ring title has at least as much claim to being a world champ as someone who has any of the 4 major titles.

 

Absolute rubbish. There is a huge difference between being a magazine and a sanctioning body. Coming up with a top ten in each division is the easy part and of course this is the part the Ring cherry picks.

A sanctioning body has a broader mandate that gives it a far greater legitimacy for ranking fighters and sanctioning fights.

 

Absolutely. The Ring has the advantage of being a retrospective view, of fights that other organisations have had to arrange, including ranking, sanctioning, promotions etc. Everything to do with actually making a fight happen.

The Ring then comes along after all the work is done, and then makes its announcements.

You can't even compare them to ABC's, as the ABC's have to be proactive, and create fights, mandatories, rulings etc. The Ring doesn't.

As bull**** as some of the ABC's decisions are, the Ring mag doesn't have any of that to worry about. Looking at what has actually happened, and then making rankings is a piece of ****ing **** to be honest.

Especially when your only considerations are being popular and selling magazines.

the Ring is no different than the IBO computerised rankings. Both are after the fact things calculated after other organisations have done the work.

 

Good post. People have lost perspective on how significant the Ring title is. It is just a guide and maybe the best one at that for boxing fans.

 

Sandman - I ask you -

What is wrong with it though?

The Ring is retrospective as you say, but how is it a bad thing when they don't charge the fighters sanctioning fees?

Given that the ratings are transparent, the names of those on the board are all available for all to see and that they don't need to sanction bouts - And given that it has been since Fleischer introduced the belts - Just another accolade - It is what it is.

To be rated by the ABC's you need to, as a fighter, pay them to be on there. You need to pay sanctioning fee's not just on the major titles, but all those Pan Pacific world champion of Japan type titles as well.

I understand people see a conflict of interest with DLH owning the publication, but their ratings board is there for everyone to see - They've allowed themselves room for criticism and Nigel Collins himself has published a few times on mistakes they've made since it's reintroduction early last decade - In regard to Vitali in particular.

Given none of the ABC's give fans a clear picture on the total measure of the division and that the Ring's own policy makes naming champions difficult - Isn't it at least a useful resource when someone asks for an unclouded view of the best ten fighters in a given division?


If someone said "These are the best 147 fighters today" and showed you the IBF rankings -

The IBF's Welter rankings?

Would you not say that at least the Ring gives a more balanced view?


CHAMPION: Vacant
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Shane Mosley
3. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Joshua Clottey
6. Andre Berto
7. Luis Collazo
8. Rafal Jackiewicz
9. Jan Zaveck
10. Vyacheslav Senchenko


???

 

The ring is the best of the worst.

 

Its just another abc title.

 

I don't see the problem, if the Ring is much better than the other belt organizations, they don't have mandatory challengers or sanctioning fees. That means nobody gets stripped for political reasons or drops the belt for financial reasons. If the other belts are broken this is as close to fixed as you can get.