Tired of The Ring Belt

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BigReg, Feb 22, 2010.


  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    38,117
    5
    Jun 26, 2007
    The Ring only has 6 champs and only 3 of those champs are actively campaigining in the division in which they are champs. Some of their rankings seem inconsistent and are preventing a champ from being crowned.
     
  2. war4years

    war4years Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,107
    0
    Aug 21, 2004
    Incorrect. Money & power are the reasons Champs aren't ranked by other organizations.

    If I am the WBC president, and you are my champion, then I dictate who you must defend against, and I charge you money for making that defense. I don't need the IBF, WBO, WBA president trying to control who my cash cow fights, let alone take a piece of the money.

    What makes you say sanctioning bodies encourage unification?
     
  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    38,117
    5
    Jun 26, 2007
    The WBO and WBA both have super champs . Super Champs are fighters who are unified champs and they have longer periods of time in order to defend against mandos. That rule clearly encourages unification. The WBC and IBF both have language in their rules that allow for unification bouts to take place over mandos. Again, this encourages unification.

    Again, let's say you are the IBF champ and the other 3 orgs all have you ranked. Now as the IBF champ you have a mando due once a year, and you also have your optional. Now let's say all of the other orgs. have you ranked as the no.1 contender and you become the mando to 3 different guys. How are you supposed to fulfill your obligation as IBF champ and also fight 3 mandos in one year? Remember, the other orgs. also have eliminator bouts. And as a champ, you're going to be a lot less likely to accept 30% cut as a result of a purse bid to fight some other champ. It's not practical for the IBF to rank the WBC champ due to the fact that it would be very hard for the WBC champ to fulfill obligations of both orgs. Now if two champs want to fight on their own accord, the orgs have put rules in place to make it easier.
     
  4. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,885
    1
    Oct 15, 2007
    If your favourite fighter is the Ring champ then he has probably got a good claim at being considered the best division but dont act like he is a proper world champion if that is the only title he has.

    The Ring is a magazine and a good guide for fans in the murky world of alphabet soup titles but it is not a sanctioning body
     
  5. war4years

    war4years Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,107
    0
    Aug 21, 2004
    WTF???:huh

    I agree. That's a good argument for getting rid of the sanctioning bodies. They make it almost impossible to declare a Champ.
    :D
     
  6. war4years

    war4years Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,107
    0
    Aug 21, 2004
    also, WTF is a Super Champ? Isn't Champ enough?

    Answer:

    Super Champ is a way to make more money on sanctioning fees. As president, now I can charge a sanctioning fee for the "normal" Champ as well as the "Super" Champ.
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    38,117
    5
    Jun 26, 2007
    If there were no super champs, it would be harder for unified champs to keep their belts because of they wouldn't be able to fulfill their mandos. By giving a unified champ a longer time to fight a mando, it's a lot easier for him to keep his belts.


    It's almost impossible to declare an undisputed champ due to the fact that too many orgs. have gained recognition of having a major title. However, each org. are easily able to declare their own champ. The Ring seems to struggle to even declare it's own champ.
     
  8. war4years

    war4years Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,107
    0
    Aug 21, 2004

    I am not necessarily arguing that the Ring should be the end all be all. I agree that it has flaws as well. I think ideally there would be a unified and unbiased organization responsible for this. Something that does not make money off sanctioning fees, which is the biggest negative for the orgs.

    the Ring is a step in the right direction, but it's not really the answer.
     
  9. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,781
    355
    Aug 4, 2007
    Good points.

    Yeah, there is a certain flaw in that if the belt is vacant and 1 never fights 2 or even 3, the belt will be vacant. And can remain vacant for years.

    Maybe they need to make up some rule about this stuff.
     
  10. robpalmer135

    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

    28,342
    0
    Jun 29, 2007
    esb rankings is the best
     
  11. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,225
    1
    Aug 13, 2009
    there was me thinking it was a way to make more money be creating ordinary and interm champs
     
  12. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    38,117
    5
    Jun 26, 2007
    The Super champ really doesn't make them that much more money. Sure, they have another belt holder but they're collecting less sanctioning fees from the real champ as he is defending a lot less often. Furthermore, the reason they started having the super champ to begin with is because of Lennox Lewis. Lennox suggested the idea so that unified champs would be able to hold onto their titles.
     
  13. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

    50,554
    18,243
    Oct 7, 2006
    Thanks BigReg. Good insight. :good

    Sometimes we do forget that the Ring Belt, as Lance Uppercut put it, is nothing less and nothing more than an award by a magazine who is in the business of selling magazines.

    FFS they only have 6 champs, 3 of which are not currently fighting in the division they reign over? :patsch
     
  14. LaidOut

    LaidOut Whaaaaat? Full Member

    2,607
    932
    Mar 2, 2009
    So where's the next billionaire to start a new organization that makes boxing great again? Sort of like how the iPod came out when the world didn't think it needed yet another portable music player. I just feel that as weak as the current orgs are, a new one could conceivably come along and say and do the right things by the fans and create a new boxing world order.
     
  15. SoxNation

    SoxNation Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,231
    0
    Oct 21, 2009
    I've never paid attention to the Ring Championships for the simple fact that it's a magazine. The champions, the rankings, and the P4P rankings are all based on opinion. P4P rankings kind of seem like a popularity contest more than anything sometimes and the fact that you can hang on to your "belt" without defending it or defending it against weak opposition gives it little credibility. I don't think we should give a magazine authority over anything in life to begin with.