Title defenses in the modern Middleweight Era

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  1. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    Why is it that all the.ATGs of the modern middleweight era were able to rack up so many defenses?

    I think Monzon had the fewest with 14, which is still a ridiculous ammount, and I believe Hagler and Hopkins were tied with 20 and GGG is somewhere in that mix as well..

    What is it about MW that guys dominate for so long? You dont see that in the other divisions, the only other examples I can compare too are Joe Louis and Wlad Klitschko at HW, but their reigns were separated by about 70 years.

    In the middles we have guys pulling this feat every decade it seems
     
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  2. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins and GGGs opponents weren't of great caliber. 2 great fighters though. Hagler learned alot from his early career defeats and slighty took the pressure off him to succeed.
     
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  3. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    Its true that Hagler faced better competition, but his best opponents were all Welters who moved up to fight him, similar to Hopkins...
    And as far as Hopkins and GGG I would say their competition was no worse than Monzon's, another guy who's biggest wins were against blown up Welters mixed in with a bunch of no name cab drivers from Buenos Aires.

    I would think in h2h matchups Haggler would struggle against either Monzon or Hopkins as they were both considerably bigger, and in Hopkins cace could control the pace of the fight and reduce Hagler workman like pace
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Someone like Hopkins is helped enormous by the fact he is "a" champion not "the" champion for much of his run. If you have a good relationship with your alphabet, you can spend years doing crappy abc defences and you're much more protected from defeat. Hopkins is not recognised until 2001.

    Golovkin was never lineal. What this means is that he never beat the best middleweight tin the world excepting himself - ever. Much easier to hold onto your title if you don't fight the best.

    Hagler was real, 80-87, real. Monzon too.
     
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  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You see/saw it at 175 as well.
    DM , Zolt , Brahamer etc
    Calzaghe and Ottka at 168.
    Nelson and Huck at 200

    It happens in a lot of divisions in the modern era because there are more belts
     
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  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Arthur Abraham has more title defenses than Golovkin.
     
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  7. Indefatigable

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    Hagler 12. Monzon 14. Undisputed! Ggg & Hopkins are asterisks because of mutiple champions. A joke just like Hill at ltheavy. The real record is still Monzon 14 defenses Undisputed. Boxing the last 35 years is pathetic.
     
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  8. Indefatigable

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    Your facts are all wrong.
     
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  9. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    when damn near every fight is a title fight and only some of them are true contenders, so to speak, well it's pretty obvious to understand why...

    times most of these guys' number of fights by 2, 3 and 4 times, trust me you will see huge differences, in 'their' records.
     
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  10. Richard M Murrieta

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    These are the true records, great post.
     
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  11. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    They are wrong, Carlos Monzon had 14, and Marvelous Marvin Hagler had 12, both very great champions.
     
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  12. m.s.

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    The leneal Martinez, wanted no part of GGG nor did Cotto, and Canelo layed his WBC belt down for GGG because he needed growing time. GGG was the dominant middleweight Champ.
     
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    GGG has 20 with 18 by KO. So i doubt it.
     
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  14. red cobra

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    Monzon would rightfully have the record for defenses, if it weren't for Hopkin's Mickey Mouse defenses.
     
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  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    You couldn't be more correct!
     
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