Tito is the best Puerto Rican fighter ever ... and one of the best WW's ever !!

atg 4 sure i camt believe that espn had odlh ranked over him in the top 5o atg tito wasnt even rank which shows some favoritism and racisim from espn **** THEM

 

He's not the greatest Puerto Rican fighter ever. That title belongs to Carlos Ortiz who holds wins over Duilio Loi, Flash Elorde (2), Sugar Ramos (2), Joe Brown, Ismael Laguna (2), and Kenny Lane. That right there includes 5 hall of famers and a total of 8 wins over them. He also had a draw with Nicolino Locche.

Trinidad's resume clearly falls short of Ortiz's. At welterweight, Trinidad is somewhere in the lower ends of the top 15 in my book. But place a prime version in today's scene, and he'd clean the division out.

 

He lost 4 rounds, was dropped himself, was outfought early on, and wasn't even being able to stop a shot, smaller, fresh out of rehab version of Whitaker who fought with a broken jaw for half the fight. Not as impressive as you make it out to be considering the circumstances.

As it stands though, I tend to agree with the thread, aside from the bit where you call him the best PR fighter of all time. That is easily Carlos Ortiz in my opinion. Tito is in contention with Gomez and Benitez for the next spot. He does rank as one of the best WW's and fighters of our generation though.

 

Why would Tito rank above DLH? And why would Tito be in the top 50?

Not defending ESPN's list by the way, as it was absolutely awful.

 

No, he clearly outranks Trinidad as well as Gomez. The fact that you don't know anything about him doesn't change that.

 

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Tito beat dlh thats one he went undefeated at WW and 154 put up a more competitive fight against Bhop beat vargas up so bad that the vargas dlh fought was not even half of the one tito fought same goes with mayorga beat a champ in david reid clean out 147 and 154 beat sweet pea WAY more convincinly than odlh even pea said tito was a much better fighter than odlh after the fight tell me aside from quartey what other top fighter did oscar beat:huh :huh tito beat guys like vargas so badly that it would have been better for tito if he took it a little easier on vargas cause maybe he's career will have lasted longer and could have stacked up some wins that made titos win over him look better and for last TITO was a warrior with bigger balls than what de la hoya could dream of having

 

You can't use the popularity of Trinidad as means to enhance his greatness. If that were the case, Oscar De La Hoya would be a top 10 pound for pound all time great.

How does he eclipse Ortiz?

20-0 in title fights leading up to the Hopkins loss, but he never decisevely beat somebody with the quality of Loi, Elorde, Ramos, Brown, and Laguna. You cannot deny the wins over 5 hall of famers. That in itself is a tremendous accomplishment and better than anything Trinidad can say. De La Hoya was at their level, but in the eyes of most ringside observers and fans, Trinidad should have lost the fight. That should speak for itself. A shot Whitaker isn't one of his biggest wins and should be looked at in the same light as Larry Holmes' stoppage win over Muhammad Ali. In both cases, their reflexes were a thing of the past and they were simply reduced to a big name with a spent body.

Camacho was well past his best days as well and shouldn't count as a true ATG type of a win. Not only was he past his best days, but he was fighting 17 pounds up from his prime weight against a prime, full-fledged welterweight. Neither the Camacho he fought or the Campas (who isn't a true hall of famer) are at the level of some of Ortiz's best wins.

Vargas, in my opinion, is Trinidad's best win when viewed in context: a prime, hungry undefeated champion who was beaten in devestating fashion. However, would you really say his addition to Trinidad's resume really pushes him past Ortiz? I think not.

Wins over gold medalists can be decieving. To give you an example, Vladimir Virchis has two wins over a gold medalist in Paolo Vidoz, but it's hardly an impressive win compared to Klitschko's win over a non-medalist in Peter or Chagaev's win over a non-gold medalist in Valuev.

 

Well your wrong, but it appears you're very passionate about Tito, so have fun with that idea

 

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