Tito vs Cotto p4p?

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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ANYBODY that thinks Cotto was as good as Tito is a newbie to the sport who doesn't remember a prime Tito.

    Tito was more talented in every way. And would have clocked Cotto within 5-6.
     
  2. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tito = bigger than his opponents, great stamina, and big punch. How well was his Offensive force against a out of prime Hopkins who moved around or stationary winky or jones jr with no legs? All three of those losses of Tito he was fighting someone his own size and he looked lost.

    Most of cotto's losses was due to his lack of conditioning.

    IMO Shane would've Beat and KO tito if they would have met. With all the experience Shane had, he was getting outbox by Cotto granted shane was not in prime but he wasn't over the hill either.

    If they were both the same size in frame and size wise, prime for prime Cotto will school tito.
     
  3. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Stuck in the Past????

    IT a terrible matchup for cotto period. Just like Hearns would be a terrible match up for PBF and Pac.Name one wepon Cotto has to Nutralize Tito .
    when he gets hurt he like to trade that would be his down fall ,that and his short arms:yep
     
  4. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No simp, people who actually saw both fight will say Tito murders Cotto.

    Miggy has always been easy to hit, he's a midget, and his chin isn't the best. Pray tell, what does he have to offer Tito?

    He does NOT have the style to give Tito problems.
     
  5. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Yur OPinion means ****. All thoughs fighters boxed Tito. Shane was and has never been a boxer or had a decent jab(jones" tito had no buisness at 170. He's more of a speedy brawler. Who likes to trade. sorry but that spell Goodnight Irene for his ass versus tito. go watch some fights cuz i dont got time to school you on fighters
     
  6. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stuck in the past? This dumbass is acting like Tito fought in the 50's.

    His prime was only 12 years ago. That's a LONG time for most on here, since the average poster on the general forum only started following the sport within the last 2 years.

    But for people who've followed the sport for awhile, WE remember prime Tito like it was yesterday.
     
  7. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yea my opinion means **** haha. Coming from a guy with 75 vcash against someone with 13000. I have bet on fights for 6 years and have the stats to show that I get the fights right at 70% range. I can pull up the stats and prove can you?

    I can debate without calling names. What facts did you bring? you just bash other's opinions without providing points just shows that you do not know anything about the sport.
     
  8. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Assuming they are both same size and frame
    Power: equal
    Speed: equal
    Offense: Cotto (Cotto can outpunch guys who were bigger, Tito couldn't)
    Feet Movement: Cotto
    Upper body movement: Cotto
    Defense: Cotto
    Durablity: Tito
    Boxing IQ: Cotto
    Adapt during fights: Cotto
    Combination punching: Cotto
    Stamina: TIto
    Strength: equal
    Resume: Tito
    Ability: Cotto

    Name one fight where Cotto got his ears boxed off and not due to his stamina issues? He was outboxing margo their first bout till he got tired and margo hit him with plaster and he was doing great against pac. Tito got made a complete utter fool against a 37 year old hopkin who he was stronger physically, got embrassed by winky with jabs, and got school by jones. who thinks Cotto will get beat against a fighter who just tag him with jabs for 12 rounds and won't adjust to get past that? Yeah... I never saw enough of Felix to know what i'm talking about though. Correct me if i'm wrong, i be delighted to hear the debate.


    Anyone who thinks otherwise. Bring the examples on how tito tops cotto in ability but i will be glad to hear it.
    :deal
     
  9. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    Pretty sure the dumbass is the one who thinks "in the past" means 60 years ago.
     
  10. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Tito was clearly smaller than Hopkins and Jones and probably a bit smaller than Winky, so right off the bat you show signs that you don't really know what you're talking about here. The vast majority of opponents he faced were his own size, and while some like older versions of Camacho or Whitaker were smaller, there were just as many who were bigger. Hopkins was at his absolute peak against Tito, it remains his single, most perfect performance, and Trinidad fared far, far, far better than someone like Cotto - even if he were a legit Middleweight - would have managed. By the time he fought Winky and Jones he had already been retired for years. Clearly out of his prime for those fights. Cotto's loss to Margarito is obviously shrouded with controversy now, but he lost to Pacquiao simply because he was a much inferior fighter.


    As for Mosley, Cotto arguably lost to a clearly faded version. Tito would be, at worst, even money against a prime Mosley (absurd that you think Shane stops him. Though Trinidad was vulnerable to early knockdowns due to balance, he stood up to tremendous punishment from a bigger man in Hopkins). Shane was always more of a puncher than a boxer, and very few Welterweights in history are outpunching Trinidad. Mosley, even at his absolute peak, was not one of those few.


    Facts are Trinidad beat a considerably better group of fighters than Cotto has and generally looked more impressive doing so. I wasn't even into boxing when Tito was around, this isn't any 'living in the past' bull****. I have, however, seen all of Tito's fights and all but a few early ones for Cotto. It's clear as day who was better, and it's not Miguel. I can't imagine how anyone who has actually seen a good amount of footage of both would argue otherwise. Take some time to watch Trinidad in his prime and actually learn a bit about his career.
     
  11. tliang1000

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    I must be blind, i mean Hopkins slightly taller, Jones who is same height as tito, and winky slightly taller just TOWERS over Tito. And Tito didn't tower over whitaker or camacho and the possibly 80% of the guys he fought at all. YEAH i'm blind. and you got people compare his size to Cotto as EVEN LOL. yeah i don't know what i'm saying at all.

    You need to accept the fact that Tito getting his ears boxed off by Oscar who was his size, winky his size and jones/bhop around his size = Tito can't overwhelm guys his size. The guy walk around 200lbs in between fights in considered being unfaired when match against WInky or Bhop????

    I didn't take the time to confirm with Boxrec but i have little doubt i would be wrong that Tito fought around 80% of his opponent smaller than him. I know why Tito was successful, people just doesn't have a clue.
     
  12. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I stopped reading after you said power was equal. I knew at that point the rest would be a joke.
     
  13. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh yea i guess you didn't care to factor in the difference in size too huh. You think Tito is same size as Cotto? the title is p4p not head to head smarty.

    And i know you read the whole thing bc you couldn't challenge my points. Lets hear ur examples. how Smart and how great tito's boxing IQ is.

    You are prolly one of those guys who think Tyson is a smart fighter even tyson relied on power speed to win.
     
  14. tays001

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    :rofl
     
  15. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Last time I checked, Cotto fought his PRIME at 147.

    But even Cotto at 140 was NOT a big puncher.

    Tito is easily one of the biggest punchers in the history of 147-154.

    So yes, you look like an idiot right now. An idiot w/o much knowledge of the sport.

    Speed aint equal either. Tito EASILY had faster hands than Cotto. Cotto is a bit quicker fighting off the backfoot, but Cotto aint exactly fleet footed.

    Cotto has ZERO advantages over Tito. ZERO.