To all Margarito fans/apologists

No, read the last part of that post.

 

I have to agree with Bazooka here. PW actions are often the opposite of his rhetoric, rhetoric which is unfortunately trumpeted by his fanbase as untouchable truth:-(. Even if he can't get big fights at 147 (which is debatable considering Clottey is making himself available and Arum has said he's onboard), he could drop the WBO belt and work to become the mandatory for the other belts (take your pick) including Margarito's, which is something he could've done in the time it took him to fight Kolle and Verno. Becoming Margarito's mandatory was how he got the first fight made in the first place, despite Arum. Is a fight against Kolle or Philips really that much more rewarding than a fight against a Delvin Rodriguez? If anyone's running, its PW out of 147.

To respond to the OP, how long will PW apologists make excuses for him not fighting any other top fighters besides Margarito? Quintana was only top 10 by virtue of beating Paul and his win against Margo wasn't exactly decisive. Tony on the other hand didn't outpoint Cotto, he brutalized him and made him quit, which is what made him a big money star now. If PW had did that to Margarito or any other top welter and never took that Quintana fight, then he'd be in a much stronger position to negotiate than he is now. Paul's camp can ***** and moan and say he's this and he deserves that all they want, but until they get more valuable scalps under his belt, and decisively at that, he's never going to get the credit that he deserves or be in a position of a big money fighter that can call his own shots.

 

Okay, and Margo needed the last round just to tie. Im not seeing your point.

Williams beat Margo clearly. By winning the last round he secured his victory, clearly beating Margo.

 

Williams already vacated the WBO belt. Did you forget the Cotto-Jennings fight for the vacated belt already?


Arum told Goosen not to contact him about any Williams fight.

 

So what? Didnt May technically lost to Castillo and didnt Williams lose to Quintana?

My point was he didnt dominate the fight. He barely won and he was the one hurt in the fight not Margarito.

 

It will be a great fight when it happens but Margo doesn't owe Paul Williams a rematch! Williams wasn't willing to give Margo a rematch right away when they gave him that close decision. Margo has the right to guide his career in his best interest. He had never ducked anyone & is a warrior. He will fight Williams when it suits him & not before. He had Williams in trouble a couple of times in the first fight so i'm confident he will kayo him when the time comes.:smooch

 

No I didnt forget but where Williams ****ed up is by moving up to 160 to fight that no named opponent, then back down to 154 to fight Phillips had he stayed at 147 and beat two better names than that he might have his ranking right now, Sorry this is simply just a case of Paul having poor management and paul himself playing along, he shot himself in the foot really.

 

Yea seriously, I mean two first round knockouts at 147 for the WBO 147lb title, and 160, AND an Eight Round TKO for the WBO Interim 154 LB title That **** is garbage, who would be impressed by that.

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But seriously, this fight should have been made months ago. But Honestly, I am not to upset about Margo fighting Shane. I like this fight, I'm excited to see what Shane can do, and Margaritos stock will definitely rise if he beats Shane, especially if he can do it spectacularly.

You cant really blame Margarito for fighting Shane, I mean sure he won't get paid as much, but in the long run it will mean more if he wins. Its not like Pauls going anywhere, they better rematch before 2009 is up though, thats all im sayin.

 

Williams-Margarito was great. The deux needs some more media hype. Maybe Williams can take care of Clottey and earn another title and make it more dollar worthy. I dunno, just trying to make a super fight out of fight that's due.

 

That's poor logic. Margo is fighting Mosley who hasn't won at 147 in nearly two years and his most recent fight at 147 is a loss to Cotto. He also moved up to 154 to fight Margo.

You're logic is flawed.

 

May didn't technically lose to Castillo. He won.

Williams lost to Quitana and then rematched him.. and completely dominated him.


Whether he was hurt or didn't domnate is not the point. Williams CLEARLY won.

 

BTW Might of had his ranking? Sure with other title organizations but between the Ring and everyone with a brain Williams is the number 2 guy at WW right now.

When Margo was holding the WBO title, no one considered him number 2 behind Mayweather.

 

Williams vacated the 147 WBO belt to fight for the interim 154 WBO belt. Arum told Goosen that in August and then in October said he was willing to put together a unification bout between Clottey and Williams, so what the hell does that mean? Because he has the WBO belt, it means that no other alphabet org will rank him, so its difficult to jump to the front of the line unless you have a promoter willing to work with you. But I remember hearing talk of a fight with Delvin Rodriguez in November, the same Rodiguez who just fought to a draw (which many thought he won) against Hlatshwayo in an IBF title eliminator, which happens to be the belt held by, that's right, Joshua Clottey. The point is, Williams has options at 147 to start collecting other belts.

 

How is my logic Flawed and what does Mosley have to do with the post your replying to? Williams dumped the WBO title, could have kept it and fought Cotto and that might have set up a rematch with Tony, but he didnt, he moved up in weight to fight two bums.

If he wanted to fight Margarito that bad he should have stayed down at 147 gotten himself ranked as the mandotory and took things from there, Williams chose to put himself in this position, and its like someone else here said before how did the first Margarito Williams fight end up taking place? its because Paul Williams was the mandotory so this is nothing new Paul knows exactly how to make the fight happen.

But would rather sit back and demand it rather than make it happen

 

Some truth to that the Ring Magazine and expert rankings dont get you the shots you want, nor do they enforce a mandotory which is exactly why I dont like the idea of a Ring Magazine champion it allows the champion to dump the other titles hold on to this one and call themselves the champ and never once ever have to face the top fighter in their class.