To all the people claiming Usyk is the greatest Heavyweight

AJ contractual obligation
Fury contractual obligation
Dubois for tripple undisputed

You are blaming the man when the problem is the times. You have to sell your soul to get a fight, and when you do, there is always a ratings board ready to take a belt off you.

Parker will be next. He has to be.

 

Mainly because of British promoters and also significantly the Saudi investment and an interest that wasn't there before. Fury is enigmatic and has skill and personality but he had a horrible boring win over an aging Klitschko and then didnt fight for almost 3 years and it's possible his stock went up with inactivity. The fights with Wilder were epic but it was never a secret that Wilder was mostly built up on the worst run of 'WBC rated' challengers imaginable.

Fury's stock was at an all time low after the Ngannou fight. Rightly so.. so it's the opposite of what you stated. Without Usyk, Fury would be regarded as a washed up overrated embarrassment by 2024. Seriously a lot of people thought Ngannou deserved a win.

If Usyk wasn't around Joshua would still be the guy who was knocked out by Ruiz,. Joshua, a good fighter but to imagine he should/could have been rated higher than he was is a stretch.

Joshua had literally been beaten up by obese Ruiz three fights before he faced Usyk. He'd only ran around pot-shotting against an even worse shaped Ruiz in the rematch and then beat Pulev who was 39. If people want to regard Joshua as some special kind of champion fighter on that form, on even on his whole resume, that's up to them. I can't see it.

I'm not faulting Usyk. He's better than the rest and he is a complete fighter and s great fighter. And he's incredible for 38.

 

Ali defeating Liston and Foreman the way he did is significantly more impressive than Usyk outpointing twice Joshua & Fury or knocking out Dubois. As a starting point that leaves Usyk way behind.

Usyk's 5 round decision against Joe Joyce might actually be his best win over a full heavyweight. I'm not sure Dubois ever beats Joyce. And Joyce did better than Joshua against common opponents. Fury is a good boxer but if you struggle like he did with Ngannou, that tarnishes him badly. To be fair to Francis, he really didn't do much worse than Usyk did. They both wobbled or hurt Fury. Usyk won a close one over 12, Ngannou lost a close one over 10. Against Fury.

 

Thanks for the response.

I really appreciate the breakdown.

I understand.

It's extremely impressive that he's never been hurt or knocked down.

My only wish, is like Loma and Beterbiev, is that we could have seen them sooner in the pro's.

However, we should all be grateful that we can see these guys at all.

They'll leave a huge gap when they've gone.

How long do you think we've got Usyk for?

 

We'll sure miss him.

Who do you think it will be?

Parker?

 

I think hes done more than Marciano
The rest along with Usyk make up my top 10 in whatever order you want to put it

 

The issue is that the business of boxing is about creating storylines. So there never is an end to the list of challengers. If Usyk beats Parker, Parker lost to Whyte, Chisora (arguably), Joyce, got knocked down by Zhang, and beat a shot Wilder. He sucks, he just had a good run with limited opposition. If Usyk beats Kabayel, he beat an injured Sanchez, Makhmudov sucks, and Zhang was 42. Itauma: He was unproven, he only beat old men etc. Opetaia: He was a cruiserweight, almost lost to 40 year old Breidis, etc. etc. etc. You can only judge legacy years after the run in context of the overall tapestry of the division.

 

Doesn't matter what overzealous fanboys say historically he won't be seen as the greatest let alone greater than some on that list. He's a great fighter and atg but when his best win is fury whose best win is wilder a guy people here called trash well there goes that greatest off all time heavyweight argument.

 

You haven't posted a single comment till now about Usyk's masterful brilliant performance. And now you're trying to be negative. It seems like Usyk's greatness bothers you.

Usyk is a phenomenal talent. Greatest fighter of this generation. Usyk is as good as any of the of the GOATS, he definitely deserves to be right up there in the conversation. His movement, footwork, angles are unreal, he has everything. He'd be an oustanding fighter in any generation. He's something special. Tremendous fighter, fighters like him come once in a generation.

 

Ali has beaten the likes of Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Floyd Patterson, Jerry Quarry, Earnie Shavers.

Whereas Usyk’s greatest wins are beating Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, Daniel Dubois twice.

Usyk is great no doubt about it but people are seriously going overboard with this claim of him being the greatest HW, especially when comparing to the resume of someone like Ali who has way more HOF wins on his resume.

 

Well, looking back at the "Where Do You Rank Usyk" poll/thread, I see 9 folks rank him #1, though I haven't seen that many actually (still) say so here on this thread.

I impulsively posted he was the "GOAT" after witnessing his impressive and smart KO of Dubois -- but what I "really" meant ( ) was that he's the best of recent years -- and that he truly deserves to be in the all-time-top-10 convo.

7 folks ranked Usyk in the 16-20 range, which is a bit silly, IMHO. And two ranked him outside the top-50, which is trolling jackassery.