To all the people claiming Usyk is the greatest Heavyweight

Hey troll I gave usyk his due amd made a thread about him here after he beat AJ do a search. The heavyweight division is the most prestigious division in boxing with many great fighters. This division of heavyweights are historically weak thats not Usyk's fault but it is what it is. He doesnt have 1 win over a top 100 atg fighter and you simply cant be considered the best HW ever without ever facing the best. Other guys did more against better competition those are facts argue with your momma.

 

I kind of think Usyk's analog at heavyweight is Marciano. Both guys faced the best available opposition at the weight, but that opposition in each case was maligned at least to some extent by observers. I have a feeling Marciano's gonna wind up as the ceiling in terms of where to rank Usyk, rather than the floor.

(It should be noted that I personally rank Marciano within my top 5, so that's not exactly a damning statement from me.)

 

If he was American of your kind, you would not be saying it's a weak division. Fury and Joshua will be future of hall of fame entrants.

You always do the 'weak' thing when it's Usyk, Wlad, Vitali, GGG, Fury etc dominating.. It's your little thing you do. Go watch your Nick Fannon videos lol.

 

There are some universes where statistics say Usyk beats everyone in that list, because Usyk is the most modern undisputed HW of all time, trains with the latest techniques and uses the most advanced medicine. In addition, at 226 pounds of solid muscle, he is bigger than many of the men on the list.

However, if modernity was the condition to be best of all time, why are we even arguing? Because obviously it is not.

Usyk is probably the best CW of all time, because that weight class is relatively new. At HW however, the main factors to consider are that boxing was a much more popular sport during several golden eras where men on that list reigned supreme, and many on that list fought countless times, at almost half a dozen fights a year.

There is no time machine to take Usyk back to face Marciano, but looking at all the information available, I don't see how Usyk can be rated statistically more likely to beat someone like Rocky, based on his HW resume, noting that it may certainly be possible, not necessarily probable,if he were transported back in time.

Therefore, I would place Usyk above only Holyfield on that list with certainty. Wlad and Tyson are borderline. The rest, based on achievements, should be rated higher.

 

Frazier's best win is a man who got beaten by a 7-0 Spinks and fought too long and thus ruined his legacy and got knocked down by journeymen, never went to the body, was cocky. something Usyk never did, 5 losses etc etc. Do you see how easy it is to tear down literally anyone?

 

Has usyk beaten anyone as good as Frazier? What about foreman? I didn't think so you're high if you don't think level of competition is a huge factor when discussing greatness. Usyk's best win is Tyson fury let that sink in.

 

Neither AJ or fury are getting into the hof. They're not even vitali level. The era is weak those are facts.
If he was American he'd be seen as a hypejob with a trash resume and have 1000000000 haters on this forum. Log off

 

AJ is 50/50 but he'll likely get in given the hype and popularity he's had. Fury is most definitely getting in for sure.

 

Usyk sure as hell isn't being knocked down by Wepner, Banks, Coopers of the world. Big George is 220lbs. Usyk is sleeping giants..

 

Big George is light years better than anyone usyk fought. This era is weak when compared against others and that has to be taken into consideration. Wilder was a top fighter in this era ffs that tells you everything you need to know about it.

 

Even if fury gets in he's not a top 100 atg.

 

I wouldn't even consider Fury an ATG but he's still a HOFer nonetheless.
Where would you place Usyk in ATG ranking if he were to retire right now?

 

Their late pro start would have been a non issue had they fought 3 times a year. That robbed fans of lots of big fights via inactivity

 

Usyk is a top 45 atg. Where do you rank him

 

I guarantee you that post won't age well. They highly likely both will get in. And there's even a chance Wilder and Parker will get in;

It's not weak at all. Plus you have to factor in Usyk is really an undersized Cruiserweight who was the underdog against Fury and Joshua and beat them all in their backyards whilst his country was at war whilst he's in his 30's. He did everything the hard way.

Also you have to remember from your precious American heroes from the past who you are clearly biased for, they fought in an era where it wasn't global and the strongest area for Boxers weren't able to to turn pro.

Your fellow American Paulie Malignaggi hit the nail on the head. Paulie always gives the truth juice.
‘’I know everyones big into their nostalgia, but remember Soviets were not turning pro until the 90’s and I think that makes a big difference, The heavyweights are bigger, lefties are more common now, and also the Soviet era of fighters did not start turning pro until the 90’s so the old days didn’t have to deal with those guys, so a lot of things that favour Usyk being the GOAT''

Now you log off