To all the people claiming Usyk is the greatest Heavyweight

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  1. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks, champ
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The Usyk disrespect is insane even over here in the UK. Don't get me wrong, he's very popular and loved by many fans over here but even though he's conducted himself with the utmost class during all his many visits to these shores and has beaten all his British foes over here on a deck stacked against him or on the road with the deck still being stacked against him a few of those times if we're being honest, and whilst conceding obscene or huge physical advantages to much bigger men, he's had to beat AJ, Belly and Dubois twice a piece to receive the credit for doing so once and even when he does so twice we still hear excuses from many and from certain media members, pundits, fighters and ex-fighters.

    Remember AJ only lost to Usyk in the first fight because he got the tactics wrong? Remember how they threw Robert McCrackenunder the bus for that?

    Less than 48 hours before the fight AJ said he'd been studying Kronk fighters and that he knew exactly what he needed to do and that he was going to give the fans the KO they wanted.

    Prior to the rematch he claimed he didn't want to hurt Usyk in the first fight and that McCracken had never taught him defence and some actually believed this BS

    He also said beforehand how hard and frustrating it is to pin Usyk down, that it's like trying to "swat a fly'' and it will tire you out when you keep missing. But all AJ had to do to beat Usyk is ''be aggressive and walk Usyk down'' despite the fact that Usyk is a master boxer on the front and back foot and he will outbox you and walk you into counters you don't see coming if you try to push him back

    So Usyk whooped the ''new''/''old" aggressive AJ with his new American trainer in tow yet again but AJ "got the tactics wrong" again. Why did he try to "outbox" Usyk again?

    Don't forget that they were lining the "new" and "improved" Boxercise Ben trained AJ for a third crack at trying to best Usyk and many believed that version fresh off a HL reel KO win over Ngannou was the man to unseat Usyk this time, until Dubois HL reel KO'd AJ on his face and only then did many stop believing AJ was the better man than Usyk even though Usyk had beaten him not once but twice

    Then the same thing happened after Usyk beat Dubois. Even though Usyk won every round all we heard about from many was the low blow and how Dubois was robbed of victory. Even during the months leading up to the rematch the same British media members would not shut up about it and they would not shut up about it to Usyk either. So Usyk agrees to give the much bigger, much younger and much more powerful Dubois who can punch holes in brick walls a rematch in his backyard on a deck stacked against him to put all that talk to rest and silence the doubters and yet come Monday morning after Usyk HL reel knocked Dubois out in his backyard Talksport who have picked him to lose to AJ, Belly and Dubois IIRC are making a fuss and making sure everyone knows all about Dubois' dad holding a party for Dubois the day of the fight, before the fight, and chaos in the corner during the fight in order to low-key try to discredit Usyk

    Belly wasn't aggressive enough vs Usyk, was too light or too heavy, and he was robbed in those fights or deserved to win at least one according to many

    Then we have ''average southpaw" Usyk who is ''not an ATG" being treated like a piece of dirt at the negotiating table by Belly after Big Frank has said the fight would be "easy to make" and that the purse split would be "50/50" and being insulted, disrespected and screwed around by Belly and John Fury sucker headbutting the smallest member of Usyk's team like the classless thug and bully he is

    AJ hurling Usyk's belts out of the ring, stealing Usyk's moment from him and trying to completely unprovoked instigate a fight with Usyk's trainer who was twice his age and half his size

    Dubois crashing Usyk's post-fight interview for Belly II when Usyk was paying tribute to his sons

    Dubois' trainer Don Charles being extremely disrespectful towards Usyk, in many interviews and pre-fight press conferences accusing him of being a liar, a cheat and questioning his faith and Charles' son George Fox doing the same and making a complete clown of himself

    Bellew is the only Brit opponent of Usyk who had never disrespected him, quite the opposite in fact, and even though Usyk is friends with Chisora and Chisora has praised him he's also said some things in interviews about Usyk I didn't like

    When Usyk, Holyfield and Haye were in the same building for some event or fight Usyk ranked Holyfield and Haye 1 and 2 CWs of all time but Haye wasn't quite as humble and he ranked himself over Usyk and came across as a bit disrespectful to him and he has picked Usyk to lose to all of his Brit opponents IIRC, maybe not this time with Dubois though. He gives him his flowers now but the point is Usyk has to go far above and beyond to receive his just due and respect and behave like a saint

    As said, Usyk is loved by many over here and many media members praise him and give him his flowers but there had also been a lot of completely unwarranted disrespect and Usyk has had to completely silence the doubters time and time again and conduct himself with the utmost class and not put a foot wrong to receive the credit others would've been given in a heartbeat or much sooner than he has.
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

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    Because I'm tired of hearing the knee-jerk reaction GOAT claims and then you get people discrediting former ATGs to big up Usyk.

    You can appreciate a fighter but still have some common sense.

    No one denies Usyk isn't a great and Usyk himself has done nothing wrong inside or outside the ring to dislike him.

    Its the boxing fans who get too emotional after a big fight and then start claiming someone is unbeatable and is the GOAT it's nonsense.

    I've seen some really horrible takes recently saying Usyk is better than Ali because he's in better condition at age 38 or that Usyk would beat Ali easily because he's not on Usyk's level it's total nonsense.
     
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  5. AwardedSteak863

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    I agree that the Dubois fight really wasn't that huge of a win compared to the two wins over Fury and Joshua but it was good win nevertheless. I don't see the logic in anyone disrespecting a great champion like Ali. We will never know who would win between Usyk and Ali, I'm just glad I was able to see both fight in my lifetime. Both guys are special.
     
  6. HistoryZero26

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    Almost all of the Usyk hate isn't Usyk hate but a response to the absurd things his fans are saying which disrespect every drop of blood spilled in a gym and ring over the past 150 years.

    Part of it is we've created a culture where NOTHING except the big "undisputed" fight matters. Being undefeated means nothing unless you beat the top 2-3 guys and then nothing else matters including how they beat them. Yesterday I was making a post about context and how many rounds someone wins matters because at the end of the day a decision is a judges round count. And they said something like "the results are all that matters thats how sports work". We've got a world where applying context other than wins and losses against champions is excuses or garbage that doesn't matter. "Usyk for GOAT" is the inevitable outcome of this culture. If nothing except a few fights matter why have them at all?

    The crazy thing is if a fighter was like 10-0 and obliterated all their opponents who were all found to be ATG elites I actually would rank that fighter highly while acknowledging the cases limitation. None of that applies to Usyk. Hes 8-0 at HW against 5 guys, loses a ton of his rounds and his opponents have some of the most embarassing losses/almost losses in the sports history. Chisora has more losses then the whole top 10 put together.

    A lot of Usyks feats like his P4P greatness are literally made up and how can you argue with things that are made up? They are pretending Usyk is small and elevating him above dozens of fighters who did the things they are pretending Usyk has done. At the same time these people have the audacity to go on about evolution explaining how this supposedly tiny fighter is superior physically.
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed wholeheartedly with your last sentence I just wish more people thought like you.

    We can appreciate Usyk and Ali without discrediting either fighter or either era both fighters fought their best names of their era and both are special talents in their own way.

    I wish Usyk all the best in his last fight which is hopefully against Parker. Then he can retire and ride off into the sunset leaving behind a great legacy.
     
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  8. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Realistically Opetaia seems like a far bigger threat than Parker. We know Usyk is overall a better fighter than Parker already. Opetaia looks like he might potentially be as good as Usyk.
     
  9. deltrotter

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    Can you explain to me why you think Usyk is not top 10 from your list? Bare in mind he was Amateur for a long time, and he was not fighting people with double digit loses at pro level past his 2nd pro fight.
    I understand people have opinions, but this guy in a short pro career has dominated 2 divisions. Cases can be made that its not the greatest era at HW or CW but then you can say the same for Lewis really and probably more of your top 10
     
  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because everyone on my list either has way more title defences.

    Considerably more wins against top 10 ranked Heavyweights.

    Or much more filler to their resume in regards to quality wins.

    Usyk has had 8 fights at Heavyweight and 6 of them were against the same fighters.

    Now I'm not saying this is Usyk's fault he hasn't got the time to have the filler on his resume at Heavyweight and he's fighting the best available which should be praised.

    But for me there's not quite enough on Usyk's resume for me at Heavyweight to rank him in my personal top 10.

    But....if Usyk beats Parker and retires undefeated ? Then I would include Usyk in my top 10 but as of right now he's just outside my top 10.

    On a strictly H2H basis though ? Usyk would rank in my top 10 yes.

    And if you're talking strictly about all time P4P rankings including Usyk's Cruiserweight resume ? Then out of all the Heavyweights Usyk would be 4th on my list behind Ali, Louis, Holyfield.
     
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  11. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cheers my man!
     
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  12. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    DP you always have intelligent and provocative things to say. Cheers!
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    You're welcome, Clint
     
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  14. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk and Marciano have very similar resumes at the top of division and you definitely can argue for Usyk to be ranked higher than Rocky. I personally have Marciano and Usyk as a coin toss for the 10th spot.
     
  15. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think Usyk has the time nor opponents to be considered the GOAT HW. He is an amazing generational talent that should be appreciated though. Unfortunately he will be hated by many here simply because some fans think he's the best, as if Usyk has control over what fanboys claim. Should just be glad we got to see this man fight!!
     
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