To all the people claiming Usyk is the greatest Heavyweight

Uzyk doesn't choose his fight schedule. The promoter does. Covid kinda killed the boxing vibe for a while.
Out of the last 12 fights, Uzyk has fought 10 fights against top10 in the weight division.
The other fighters back in the day were also fighting multiple fights a year, so would also be more "war torn". It works both ways.
You are taking the best 4 of a 40 year period comparing to the past 12 years of boxing now.
Would Dubois, Wilder, Fury, Parker or AJ beat fighters in the top5's of other great generations ? Definitely.

 

They would beat people in other generations top10's. Didn't say consistently, but they still would.

 

This statement invites ridicule. I'll try to refrain.

 

WW1 and WW2 also killed the "boxing vibe for awhile" and those guys fought way more and accomplished way more than Usyk.

















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He is the best of his time Usyk and that’s all we can say.

 

Had he really improved or was it what the media especially the UK media were trying to portray.I think they all got carried away that Dubois was a changed fighter. Egis Klimas, Usyk’s manager said at the final press conference that Dubois was still the same guy and nothing changed. It looked to me like Usyk and his team already had Dubois data from the first fight and Dubois’s team had not learned anything from the first fight. It was an outstanding performance from Usyk but I cannot say I am surprised. Dubois’s performance was terrible and frankly Usyk humiliated him. Dubois and his team kept going on about being cheated as result of the low blow controversy 2 years ago. They were not cheated they just lost to the better fighter again.

 

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Boxing doesn't happen without promoters in the modern day sense. Covid stopped the money rolling in, thus no fighting.
Uzyk's country is currently at war, and he's still fighting top 5 heavyweights ? Point ?

Eastern European fighter might knock the American's off their pedestal, everyone loses their ****.

 

Bingo. But that gets us into the whole "adjusted for (weight) inflation" and "time machine" debates I cited. It does get a bit tedious. I mean, I won't be surprised to see someone here proclaim that Jess Willard and Gentleman Jim Corbett would've mopped the floor with Usyk....

 

He wouldn’t have though.

It’s not very realistic.

Look at the stylistic match ups.

You’ve made a very bold statement, just based off of only 5 opponents at the weight.

 

It’s not that simple though is it.

I love the guy.

But he’s still only had 24 pro fights, with only 8 at HW, against only 5 opponents, in a non great era.

We don’t know what would have happened had he have fought more fights, against more HW’s, in a stronger era.

 

He’s a modern day great.

He should be rated for his whole career, not just his HW exploits.

For just his HW exploits specifically, it’s still hard to rank him historically.

Because although he’s done great and deserves huge credit, he’s still only fought 5 HW opponents.

 

The forum has always been like this.

It amuses me, because after certain fights, I can always predict at least 5 threads the following day. And I’m nearly always right.

There’s always knee jerk reactions:

“Joe Joyce would have steamrollered a prime version of Mike Tyson”