To all those who had Haye winning......

Yep, good point, you can only ever vote for offensive or defensive fighters when you've thrown your hat in the ring on one side. It doesn't matter that they are two different fights, great insight my friend :good

 

I think it's more the clinching that puts people off Dirrell's performance that night. From a technical standpoint, he boxed superbly, but at points he was taking every opportunity to tie his man up and halt the action, where as David, while not the most active we've seen him, didn't really initiate a clinch throughout the fight.

Plus, Dirrell was fighting someone his own size. It's kinda natural that Haye wouldn't wanna trade up with a giant like Valuev for 12 rounds.

 

For me Haye & Dirrell won

 

Correct, no :deal

Two different fights, two completely different scenarios...the only similarity is that there were two men plus a ref in the ring

 

I had this over on the GF. They are totally diiferent fights, just because you thought the aggressor was effective in one fight it does mean you have to think the aggressor was effective in a different fight.

For the record I had Dirrell and Haye but I think it would be very easy to score the first fight to Froch whereas I can't see how Valuev won on Saturday.

 

Balls!
I had froch just nicking it and Haye winning clearly.
Typical of the gf that judges fights in such a black and white fashion. Bunch of ****ing ******s most of 'em!

 

No. Just accurate analysis of the course of events. If you want to compare - ok then Haye landed much more than Dirrell did and Valuev landed less than Froch did, simples!!

 

Same here. Very comfortable with Haye winning 7-5.

I had Dirrell but it was a terrible fight to score, hence a split decision. I could easily score it the other way.

They are not even comparable fights, no clinching in the Haye fight, no holding, and genuinely very few punches landed which made it easy to decipher who won the rounds IMO.


Daft thing is, half the Americans who say this are then saying themselves that Dirrell and Valuev won. The hypocrisy is amazing.

 

They are similar fights in terms of the styles employed. But Haye landed better shots throughout, Dirrell landed some nice shots in the 11th but seems to clinch and fall over more than anything. Close fight. I felt the Germans would have it closer but there's no doubt in my mind that Haye won now I've rewatched it. Haven't had the bottle to rewatch Dirrell-Froch since I watched it live as I fear it's an absolute stinker :good

 

You're mistaking hypocrisy for sheer, blind bias and stupidity.

 

I rewatched Froch-Dirrell (guess I'm a masochist) I didn't score it but came away less confident of my decision to Dirrell than I was on fight night. I think I MAY have given Dirrell too much credit in some of the rounds.

 

General makes me hate boxing sometimes, bit like a car crash though i have to look

 

its really not. Froch still hit Dirrell, Valuev did not hit Haye.

Also Dirrell did not land the same percentage of shots as Haye.

I had Froch vs Dirrell a draw (so he would of won without the deduction) and I had Haye winning 118-110 on saturday.