To all those who had Haye winning......

I don't agree. Haye hit Valluev with more clean shots than Direll hit Valuev.

And for starters Froch threw and landed more punches than Dirrell.

I can remember Valluev landing about 3 all fight.

Plus can anyone remember Froch doing a bruce grobellar? Funny that, nor me!

 

Just IMO but it can't be disputed in Saturdays fight but (despite going for Dirrell) I thought you could make a very good case for Froch being more effective than Valuev at the same time as Dirrell landing less clean shots than Haye.

 

Exactly how I feel and I did have Froch and Haye winning.

I honestly can't see how you can make a case for Valluev winning that fight.

All that matters in a fight is who landed the most and what damage did they do. For the Haye fight this is an easy question as Valluev landed about three shots the entire fight.

As for the Froch fight I can understand why people had Direll winning but I still scored it to Froch for the above reason.

 

Spot on

 

Dirrell was running,clinching and holding on...think survival is the word....Haye had a plan and had to fight like that due to who he was fighting and the judges understood that..Dirrell came to be negative fight on the backfoot and he'll probably always fight like that...Haye came to fight a plan...If you have ever seen him before your know that is the first time he has ever fought like that and most probably the last.

That is how it is different..Two totally different fights.

 

I thought Direll beat Froch but it was close, Haye beat Valuev hands down it was a easy nights work... Would of been even easier if he didnt break his hand.

 

Agreed. One thing i would add though is that it looked like Haye was winning. His confidence, relaxed approach most of the fight let everyone know that what he was doing was intentional.

Whereas Dirrle was complaining, moaning, and doing all he could to stop Froch, ie clinching. While a case can be made for either fighter in that fight, Dirrel didn't look confident enough to let you know that what he was doing was intentional.

It can be compared in a way to the Bhop-Calzaghe fight. While a case can be made for either fighter, Calzaghe was the one forcing the fight, he had his hands down, he was always first out of the corner etc. Whereas Bhop was clinching, moaning, complaining, and faking injuries. Simply put, Calzaghe looked more like a winning fighter than Bhop did.

 

yeh good point..tbh i had the fight pretty even(haye fight),but like you said you could tell he was in control,as for dirrell he was almost hanging on and didnt show he was in control,it also helped that froch was a massive favourite...the fact is haye had to fight like that,dirrell didnt..the judges in germany like i said undrstood that.

 

This. :deal

 

I can see dirrells case i really can,but it was plain to see haye was in control and had to fight like that,could you say the same about dirrell?
Froch moved alot more and threw alt more than valuev,although i agree direll probably got the crisper shots in,but only 1 person wanted to win that fight,which is why he got he decision.

On another day though it might go his way,but thats what u get for fighting like he did/does,1 night the decision will go your way another it wont.

 

The difference mate is that Sasquatch couldnt hit Haye, while Dirrell hugged like a two dollar *****

 

Haye did win, and guess what so did Froch, tough