To all those who had Haye winning......

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by TheUzi, Nov 9, 2009.


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  1. TheUzi

    TheUzi MISSION INCOMPLETE Full Member

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    Ok,

    How many times did Froch hit Dirrell cleanly in that fight?

    Everytime he loaded up with a shot he missed wildly,looking rather silly in the process.
     
    TheUzi, Nov 9, 2009
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  2. kidgloves

    kidgloves Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dirrell and Haye for me as well.
    Quite a lot of Brits had Dirrell if i remember correctly
     
    kidgloves, Nov 9, 2009
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  3. noonan

    noonan Guest

    Alot lot more often than Valuev
     
    noonan, Nov 9, 2009
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  4. Will

    Will Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not often.

    How many times did Dirrell hit Froch cleanly?........Not often

    It was a close fight but I felt Froch did more work and landed more. Thats my opinion.
     
    Will, Nov 9, 2009
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  5. TheUzi

    TheUzi MISSION INCOMPLETE Full Member

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    I think your getting away from my initial point.

    This is a report from the Guardian,posted on another thread.
    It highlights my point tremendously.

    Any impartial boxing fan could read the report below and literally replace Haye's name with Dirrell's, Valuev's with Froch's and it would still make perfect sense.

    Which is why I accused some of scoring fights in a certain manner which suits the fighter they support.




    ''One of the talking points that circulated at ringside in Nuremberg on Saturday night was how on earth Jim Watt gave the fight to Nikolai Valuev. I have to share the wonder.
    Watt, who was a fine world champion and is an articulate and intelligent commentator, got this one wrong ... in my humble opinion. His argument that you could not award rounds to David Haye because he was throwing "single shots" ignored the fact that, while Valuev was throwing more, he was landing hardly any at all.
    But it's more complicated than that. Haye's single shots were landing most of the time; the Russian was missing, often by as much as a foot. He was clueless, clumsy and bamboozled. If you stood back from the action and asked yourself who was doing the boxing, there was only one answer.
    As Claude Abrams, the editor of
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    , pointed out on the way home from the Nuremberg Arena, there are a lot of meaningless cliches in boxing: such as, the challenger has to take the fight to the champion, and you have catch the judges' attention by going forward.
    The question both those idiocies pose is: why? There is no logic to them. A boxing match is just that. The other cliche – hit and don't be hit – should mean something. It's what Haye tried to do, with a lot of success, from the first bell to the last. There were periods, granted, when he went too long without landing a scoring shot, but nowhere near as long as Valuev.
    There was a time, long ago, when judges took note of boxing ability as well as sheer aggression. Valuev showed a lot of the latter and very little of the former.
    It might have been a frustrating fight for Watt to watch, but you can guarantee it was even more frustrating for Valuev. Sorry Jim, Haye boxed his ears off ... in my humble opinion.''
     
    TheUzi, Nov 9, 2009
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  6. Will

    Will Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a good article and I agree. However I do not agree that you can stick Dirrells name in there. For the simple fact that I do not feel that Dirrell landed more shots than Froch.

    Again I would point out that the stats do back me up.
     
    Will, Nov 9, 2009
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  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    The stats are counted by people just as fallible as ourselves.

    Froch missed wildly all night. Point out some rounds to us where Froch landed good punches. I'm asking for Froch's best rounds here so it shouldn't be a huge problem...
     
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  8. 46and0

    46and0 It's irrefutable. Full Member

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    Dirrell won the Froch fight quite handily. It was a hometown decision.
     
    46and0, Nov 9, 2009
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  9. Will

    Will Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you like when I've got more time (am at work at the mo) I will sit down and round by round show how I scored the fight.

    If you drop me a private message I will reply to it. Am well busy at the moment but If you send me the message I'll do it as soon as I get the chance.

    Also on the stats thing I'm not a big fan either but in this case before the stats came out most Dirrell fans were saying that they were going to support their argument and yet when they came out they didn't.

    Gotta shoot so have a good evening everyone.
     
    Will, Nov 9, 2009
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  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    That would be cool

    Have a good one :good
     
    TFFP, Nov 9, 2009
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  11. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it was Dirrells very negative tactics (holding, complaining etc..) that ultimately cost him the fight.

    Rightly or wrongly that does influence people's scoring and in a very close fight you cant afford to start pissing people off.
     
    Neverchair, Nov 9, 2009
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  12. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    According to Boxrec (I know, don't have a go) Froch clearly outlanded Dirrell http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1433578 Dirrell was throwing leather, but Froch was slipping an awful lot of the shots
     
    icemax, Nov 9, 2009
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  13. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    ^^^^^^^^^:-(
     
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  14. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    pissing against the wind
     
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  15. PatrickP

    PatrickP Active Member Full Member

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    I agree totally, it is hypocrisy of the highest order to claim that both Froch & Haye won these fights.
    Haye did just about enough & Dirrell done more than enough. Dirrell clearly won more rounds against Froch than Haye did against Valuev.
     
    PatrickP, Nov 9, 2009
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