To Blame Pacquiao or not to Blame?

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  1. Nestea

    Nestea Thirst Remover Full Member

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    LINK: http://philboxing.com/news/story-21404.html

    The “they” refers to those who up to this time still could not accept a Filipino is better than the rest of the world. Except for billiards maybe, Filipinos are expected to lose in any athletic competition they are in.

    When Manny beat the then rising star Lelo Ledwaba for the super-bantamweight IBF title, Ledwaba himself put up an excuse of his devastating defeat for having prepared for challenger Enrique Sanchez instead of an unknown substitute fighter.

    When Manny badly beat up then featherweight top dog Marco Antonio Barrera, the “they” came up with excuses like an interrupted training due to a fire which made the Barrera team change training camp venue.

    When Manny twice avenged a close decision loss to Eric Morales by knockouts, the “they” say Eric was drained in making the junior-lightweight limit to really be his old self.

    These excuses diminish the credit Manny deserves for the unmatched dedication he puts into his preparation for his fights.

    When the Oscar de la Hoya-Manny Pacquiao fight was sealed, no excuse could ever be entertained by the “they” for them to use. After all, 18 out of 20 so called boxing experts picked the bigger Oscar to just easily run over the smaller Manny as a truck does to a stray tin can on the road.

    The dust in the Oscar-Manny “dream match” has settled. Pacquiao showed the world how fearlessness, dogged determination, thorough preparation and what have you can make seemingly insurmountable odds can be overcome. The “they” have long awakened from their “dream” but still refuse to give Manny due credit.

    They considered the weight drain as an excuse. But Oscar has been around 145-lbs weeks before the official weigh-in. They decided this blame is overused.

    Ah, the diet. Now “they” blame the innocent kangaroo, the buffalo and the ostrich. Anybody and anything are to blame but the Pacman.

    In these times when America has elected a black man president by a landslide, the “they” still refuse a Filipino can be the best in this sport. You might say why should I mind the “they” who are few? Well, the “they” includes those who can influence the many to lessen the credit Pacquiao deserves.

    Just figure out how Dan Rafael ranks Juan Manuel Marquez higher than Manny in his biased rankings at espn.com. Manny is just #2 to JMM.

    Rafael gives JMM higher credit for beating 37-year old Joel Casamayor. After all, Casamayor allegedly held the linear lightweight title. Never mind if Joel struggled against Juan Santa Cruz and Michael Katsidis. Never mind if Manny beat JMM twice and has beaten the suddenly “old” Oscar de la Hoya just this month. JMM is better than Pacquiao, period.

    But the reality is that Manny is on top of the boxing world. He is now the better P4P than Floyd Mayweather was because, as a commentator aptly puts it, “Manny fights what boxing fans want a fighter fights”.

    Ledwaba still fought after his loss to Manny and so did Barrera. Barrera beat Eric Morales to win their trilogy and even scored a knock down over JMM in their fight last year which is years after Manny unseated him as the linear featherweight champion of the world in 2003.

    Many, even Filipinos, mistakenly go with sportswriters who don’t recognize the crown Manny won over Barrera. Cliff Rold of ***********.com recognizes this 126-lb championship for Manny though he doesn’t count the 122-lb IFB title which he calls an alphabet belt. Rold counts Manny’s championships at four. The others also count four by including the 122-lb IFB title but excluding the 126-lb linear championship. I go with Joaquin Henson’s count of 5 world championships for Manny Pacquiao. Manny earned the 122-lb title as much as he did the 126-lb crown. Or, Manny Pacquiao. Manny earned the 126-lb crown as much as he did the122-lb title.

    When Manny struggled to make the junior-lightweight limit in his fight with JMM just last March, he was a few more pounds over the limit a day or two before the fight, his camp did not raise this blame for his not having scored a convincing win over JMM.

    It’s high time the blame on interrupted training, old age, diet, and weight drain should stop when Manny beat the best out there. It’s high time to put the blame on somebody responsible for their defeats. The “blame” is none other than Manny Pacquiao.
     
  2. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    Again... better than socks.
     
  3. Nestea

    Nestea Thirst Remover Full Member

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    I doubt you read it.

    Find me a video or an audio that pac said on his own mouth, that it was his socks that caused the problem.
     
  4. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    no. pac can't beat DLH. even i can KO DLH that night. you *******s are delusional.
     
  5. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    even calderon can KO oscar that night :D
     
  6. Nestea

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    I can just stare at hoya and he will be knocked out.

    I can just whistle and Morales will get knocked out.

    I can just yawn and Barrera could be knocked out.

    I can just put a strand of my hair to Marquez and he gets knocked out.
     
  7. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    calderon is a pro. i am an internet-keyboard warrior and surely, i can KO a walking corpse, weight-drained, shot-to-pieces oscar that night. pac should fight someone like linares and valero to prove himself. he should stop fighting old fighters like hatton and floyd.
     
  8. Nestea

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    Oh damn Valero, Linares, Soto and Guzman should have picked by Pacquiao! They are young and hungry. Those experienced, Future HOF, top P4P and big names such as Morales, Barrera and Marquez are craps! So if pacquiao defeated 4 of them, we can accuse him for not fighting the top P4Ps!
    Damn that would be great!

    Hatton and Floyd are not worth for Pacquiao, He should have fought other YOUNG fighters!
     
  9. Jbuz

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    You guys are a joke.

    Get a new gig... or sport?

    What do you want? For people to proclaim Pac greater than Robinson? Every great fighter has wins over great fighters who were sliding. Robinson doesn't get much credit for his win over Henry Armstrong (aka. the second greatest fighter of all time). Hagler doesn't get much credit for his win over Duran. Oscar doesn't get much credit for his wins over Chavez. Ezzard Charles doesn't get credit for beating Joe Louis. Muhammad Ali doesn't get credit for beating Archie Moore. That's boxing. Does it change the fact that they're great fighters? Hell no! Pac is still a brilliant fighter, and his wins against Barrera and Morales (II) are fantastic wins. But loads of great fighters have similar wins. And if any of the fights I mentioned (among hundreds of others) happened today, there would be similar scrutiny over the victories.

    The sliding 'excuses' are not excuses, they are factors. The quicker you learn to deal with this, the less hair and sleep you'll lose. It's happened forever, and it will continue to happen long after Pac retires.
     
  10. coupdegrace

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    agreed:rofl
     
  11. Nestea

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    So wheres the video or audio?

    And did we said that Pac is higher than anyone else? Facts is only those haters and his critics keep putting him on fantasy match ups.
    Did you ever see *******s or Pacfans trying to say they are better than other HALL OF FAMERS? I guess a few but unlike those critics you can see new ones every single day.
    We know Pac isn't yet a HOF nor that great, cause we know that he still molding his legacy.
    And all of you critics can't even understand that. Once we defend you already push as a *******s.
    And us calling you haters? Heck all of you critics says tons of excuses and discredit his wins. Its ok if you say that if he loses. But heck he won and still no credit.
    We are happy to eat our crows if Pac ever loses. That we know someone is better than our hero.
    But you are just a blind delusional keyboard warrior.
     
  12. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Pac clearly proven himself to have a freakish year. Far better than any current fighters year. Collected 2 WBC world titles, in 2 divs. and allowed DHL to rethink his future in the game. Whats the drama with Pac??? Is he not appreciated now???

    Ya have to give the man some credit. Hope to see a lot more of him in the coming years.
     
  13. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    I posted the Pac vs Tszyu thread. I know Tszyu was the master against south paws... This is purely a speculative comparisoned thread. Dont get a head ache, Pac will continue to be compared with former greats.. This is the nature of the forum.. and a good part of the reasoning for such forums. The more comparisons being made, the more intrigue the man is beckoning from fight fans. Accept it as a compliment to the bloke.

    4-7 years from now, future fighters will be compared speculatively to Pac. Its never going to change.
     
  14. harrison

    harrison feu-nrmf md 2005 Full Member

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    they are excuses dumbo... :good
     
  15. harrison

    harrison feu-nrmf md 2005 Full Member

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    but the socks are excuse though :D
     
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