To the people who bash Jones' resume..

The thing is RJJ was getting five million to fight anyone, it didn't matter who it was against. RJJ was smart and made the most money he could have in certain situations. Why fight another top tier fighter when you can fight a B level or even C level and still get 5 million. On a buisness end it made the perfect sense, and RJJ is a very rich man right now because of it.

 

Quality of opponent and manner of victory combined together.

 

Of course he is better than Hopkins. Hopkins has nobody like Hopkins and Toney on his resume, nor a Ruiz. Aging well doesn't isn't even enough to give him any kind of case for having a better resume than Jones. Hopkins lost to Jones the only elite fighter he ever fought at an appropiate weight. Now Hopkins impressed me enough whilst losing to Jones for me to place him top 40.

Hopkins' loss to Jones was one of his most impressive performances.

Hopkins is only concensus top 10 now because people are moronic anyway.

Joppy, Johnson and a few welters is zero match for Jones.

 

He didn't refuse to give Hopkins a rematch. Hopkins priced himself out. He knew 50/50 was not what he deserved.

 

Age is absolutely irrelevant. Should Tyson be ranked low because he was shot by most peoples prime, around 30? No. Should Benitez be ranked especially higher because he was world champion at 17? Foreman was lineal champion in his 40's too, so surely he must be the ultimate ATG?

Age is just a number. If every single fighter aged the same, then it would be relevant. Hopkins has aged better than others, so it's not an amazing feat for him to still be on top.

 

Why don't Americans embrace Roy Jones, who is just about the best ever produced?

I can't work out why the American media turned on him, he must have made some enemies at one point.


But within 10-20 years he'll be considered top 10 universally anyhow.

 

Objectively? Jones resume doesn't equal his talent. Americans have always been judgemental about people not fulfilling their talent totally.

Wait and see what happens to LeBron James if he doesn't win a title in the next 5 years.

 

Jone resume is still absolutely superb, the only problem anyone can have is the whole steroids question.

 

His resume is fine....but to match his talent, which was immense, he would have had to unify MW, SMW, and LHW.

 

RJJ's resume...I am not impress, in fact the names that are not in there are far more telling than the name that are on it....

Now, IMO he fought 4 opponents of equal talents and class on their prime:

1-2( -1 KO) Tarver- Lost 2 of 3, won one by close descion
0-1 (-1 KO) Glencofe Johnson-got decapitaded by Johnson
1-0 (James Toney)-won bu UD......
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2-4 (-2 KO)

Not what you call an elitist killer now....

So if you are going to post stuff, you need to be accurate and imparcial....and your post withoiut qualifying the opponents was lacking on both...

And as I mentioned, the names that stand out on his resume are the ones that are not on his resume:

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in the early 90's at MW, hard hitter

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in the early 90's at MW, hard hitter in the early 90's at MW

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, hard hitter

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also in the 90's at MW, how about the fading

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in 95 instead of McClellan fighting

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....or how about hard hitter Nigel Benn in 95, or

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at LHW...

Now any of these guys I mentioned had far better career and resume than the list you posted with the exception of James Toney, BHop and Tarver....why simple the common denominators on all those opponents I mentioned was that they all were

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.......:good

 

I have never doubted his resume, and i dont think many people do. There were just a few fights he never took, which he should have..

 

As I mentioned on my previous post, I do doubt his resume and also you point of the fight s he never took...the opponents I mentioned, all of them could ahve been block buster fights!!

 

If you go by this same method of judging fighters, then lets have a look at the prime boxers Hopkins fought, who were top 100 at the weight class he fought them at.

Roy Jones (Slightly before his prime)
Jermain Taylor (Not that good)
Antonio Tarver (Ditto)

These are the three best opponents he faced, who are in the top 100 in that weightclass, so that's why Tito or DLH isn't there.

He goes 1-3 against them. One wouldn't come close to making a top 50 list, and another scrapes top 75.

Brilliant.

 

You're not being factual. All you did was add your opinion to the fighters names :deal You aren't being impartial at all. You are pointing out as many bad qualities as you can while dismissing any factual info (titles, who they beat AFTER Jones fought them, etc) that would make that fighter look good. Example of this....You quote Johnson as being equal to Jones and Jones lost. You call Woods overhyped. Hasn't Woods beaten Johnson? Another example...you call Harding someone who loses when stepping up in class. But you say Tarver was good and in Jones' class....Harding beat Tarver. Your analysis is full of hypocritical stuff like this.

You can do that to ANY fighter. Post Trinidad's resume and I will show you.

 

RJJ always gets shitted on here. His resume is very underrated and he's a top 25 ATG IMO.