To the people who bash Jones' resume..

Saying someone is overrated is not "circumstances surrounding a fight". It's your personal opinion.

 

Just because Bert Sugar is 100 years old doesn't make him an authority on boxing anymore than me. Bert Sugar lost credibilty when he made that insane statement much like you did here with it. Jones won titles at 160, 168, 175 and HW that alone would make him a top 100 ATG fool.:deal

 

By the same token....when Roy faught Virgil Hill, Virgill had issues making weight, it was his last fight at 175, yet all of you claim it was a great fight...come on Dude.....if you are going to pull that ****....then be fair ...Virgill Hill was done before the fight started it....and the same it can be said when he fought Glenn Kelly....

But the issue here is why not talk about the opposition that he could have fought but didn't...far more refined opposition that the ones he fought suring that peirod...I was clear on my analisys....

 

This is Bert Sugar's list Orishaman......Look down at #88 and see who's name is highlighted in

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1) Sugar Ray Robinson
2) Henry Armstrong
3) Willie Pep
4) Joe Louis
5) Harry Greb
6) Benny Leonard
7) Muhammad Ali
8) Roberto Duran
9) Jack Dempsey
10) Jack Johnson
11) Mickey Walker
12) Tony Canzoneri
13) Gene Tunney
14) Rocky Marciano
15) Joe Gans
16) Sam Langford
17) Julio Cesar Chavez
18) Jimmy Wilde
19) Stanley Ketchel
20) Barney Ross
21) Jimmy Mclarin
22) Archie Moore
23) Marcel Cerdan
24) Ezzard Charles
25) Sugar Ray Leonard
26) The Original Joe Walcott
27) Jake Lamotta
28) Eder Jofre
29) Emile Griffith
30) Terry Mcgovern
31) Geroge Foreman
32) Johnny Dundee
33) Jose Napoles
34) Pascual Perez
35) Billy Conn
36) Ruben Olivares
37) Joe Frazier
38) Tommy Loughran
39) Sandy Saddler
40) Kid Chocolate
41) Abe Attell
42) Evander Holyfield
43) Geroge Dixon
44) Maxie Rosenbloom
45) Larry Holmes
46) Ted 'Kid' Lewis
47) Marvelous Marvin Hagler
48) Pernell Whitaker
49) Carlos Zarate
50) Thomas Hearns
51) Battling Nelson
52) Beau Jack
53) Ricardo Lopez
54) John L. Sullivan
55) Carlos Monzon
56) Alexis Arguello
57) Carmen Basilio
58) Pete Herman
59) Charley Burley
60) Ike Williams
61) Kid Gavilan
62) Jack Britton
63) Dick Tiger
64) Pancho Villa
65) Panama Al Brown
66) Bob Fitzsimmons
67) Philadelphia Jack O'brien
68) Tiger Flowers
69) James J. Corbett
70) Tony Zale
71) Tommy Ryan
72) Georges Carpentier
73) Sonny Liston
74) 'Kid' Mccoy
75) Bob Foster
76) Freddie Welsh
77) Joe Jeannette
78) Jim Driscoll
79) Jersey Joe Walcott
80) Peter Jackson
81) Ad Wolgast
82) Jack Dempsey, The Nonpareil
83) Manuel Ortiz
84) James J. Jeffries
85) Salvador Sanchez
86) Jimmy Barry
87) Carlos Ortiz

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89) Wilfredo Gomez
90) Aaron Pryor
91) Bernard Hopkins
92) Mike Gibbons
93) Jack Delaney
94) Johnny Kilbane
95) Willie Ritchie
96) Wilfred Benitez
97) Packy McFarlane
98) Rocky Graziano
99) Lew Jenkins
100) Mike Tyson

Next time you quote someone AND use it as part of your argument, make sure you get it RIGHT:deal

 

Wrong Chump....exactly my point ...it was the Garbage man that fought RJJ with the biggest heart, he was totally outclassed and still came coming...and the only fools here are you two Bozo's ...that can't see my point .....yes RJJ resume is such that a Garbage man gace him the best fight.....Montell's 2nd fight , he was done before he came into then ring...it remided me of Spinks v Tyson.....he was mentally beaten....the garbage man gave it his all....

 

That is not his list from his book......capice!!


1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Harry Greb
4 Jack Dempsey
5 Benny Leonard
6 Joe Louis
7 Mickey Walker
8 Sam Langford
9 Tony Canzoneri
10 Muhammad Ali
11 Joe Gans
12 Willie Pep
13 Jack Johnson
14 Barney Ross
15 Jimmy Wilde
16 Gene Tunney
17 Roberto Duran
18 Johnny Dundee
19 Rocky Marciano
20 Joe Walcott
21 Stanley Ketchal
22 Jimmy McLarnin
23 Archie Moore
24 Tommy Ryan
25 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
27 Abe Attell
28 Jack Britton
29 Bob Fitzsimmons
30 Terry McGovern
31 Ezzard Charles
32 Packey McFarland
33 Ted Kid Lewis
34 Marcel Cerdan
35 Kid Chocolate
36 Pasqual Perez
37 Tommy Loughran
38 Jim Driscoll
39 Emile Griffith
40 Kid McCoy
41 Jim Corbett
42 Billy Conn
43 Jake LaMotta
44 Maxie Rosenbloom
45 Pancho Villa
46 Jose Napoles
47 Sandy Saddler
48 Freddie Welsh
49 Joe Frazier
50 John l. Sullivan
51 Carlos Monzon
52 Kid Gavilan
53 Pete Herman
54 Tiger Flowers
55 Billy Petrolle
56 Sugar Ray Leonard
57 Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
58 Dick Tiger
59 Beau Jack
60 Ike Williams
61 Panama Al Brown
62 Larry Holmes
63 Carmen Basilio
64 Charley Burley
65 Phila. Jack O'Brien
66 Peter Jackson
67 Jimmy Barry
68 Carlos Zarate
69 Georges Carpantier
70 Tony Zale
71 Young Griffo
72 Alexis Arguello
73 Max Baer
74 Marvelous Marvin Hagler
75 Battling Johnson
76 Joe Jeannette
77 Mysterious Billy Smith
78 Wilfredo Gomez
79 Jersey Joe Walcott
80 Rocky Graziano
81 Sonny Liston
82 Harry Wills
83 Ad Wolgast
84 Tommy Hearns
85 Manuel Ortiz
86 Salvador Sanchez
87 Fighting Harada
88 Willie Ritchie
89 James J. Jeffries
90 Johnny Kilbane
91 Bob Foster
92 Mike Gibbons
93 Benny Lynch
94 George Kid Lavigne
95 Aaron Pryor
96 Lew Jenkins
97 Carlos Ortiz
98 Jack Delaney
99 Wilfred Benitez
100 Gene Fullmer

 

Yes, Lineal champions are bums. I see your point now Orisha. We are the bozo's....not you. You realize your argument is being shredded. Much like the time you made a list of the top 10 LHW ever and didn't include Jones because he was never Lineal champion.....but had Ezzard Charles on it:deal

 

atsch Yeah it is.....show me otherwise.

 

LMAO....that is NOT the book from 2006. I am looking at the list

 

Ok you are right, I was looking at the 84 list,but regardless...88 is way down on the ****ing list.....it is not like he had it top 50, as you claim you ahve RJJ on your list...ok he made it in 2006 list at 88...big ****ing deal...and BTW..the argument of the garbage man it is clear.and if you two Bozos can see it ...then you are far more parcial and bias than I expected...

You can post all the list you want...88...I ma not impressed...no wonder I could no find his name on it...


But good one, thanks for finding the list.....which also proof my point of RJJ resume inflated and not holding water...

 

My top 100 list:

By weight classes:

HW:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Foreman
5. Marciano
6. Tunney
7. Dempsey
8. Johnson

Cruiser:

1. Evander Holyfiled
2. Sugar De Leon
3. Dwight Quawi


LHW:

1. Bob Foster
2. Archie Moore
3. Michael Spinks
4.Billy Conn
5. Ezzard Charles

SMW:

1. Michael Nunn
2. Frank Liles

MW:

1. Carlos Monzon
2. MMH
3. Tony Zale
4. Henry Grebs
5. Mickey Walker
6. Emil Griffith

JRMW:

1. Tommy Hearns
2. Nino Benvennuti
3. Koichi Wajima

WW:

1. SRR
2. SRL
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Basilio
5. Ross/McLarnin
6. Mantequilla Napoles
7. Kid Gavilan


JRWW:

1. Aaron Pryor
2. Tony Canzoneri
3. JCC
4. Kid Pambele
5. Nico Loche
6. Benitez


LW:

1. Duran
2. Joe Gans
3. Benny Leonard
4. Lou Ambers
5. Carlos Ortiz
6. Alexis Arguello

JRLW:

1. Sadler
2. Flash Elorde
3. Ben Villaflor
4. Kid Chocolate
5. Kobayashi
6. Samuel Serrano

FW:

1. Armstrong
2. Willie Pep
3. Eder Jofre
4. Sal Sanchez
5. John Kilbane
6. John Dundee
7. Kuniaki Shibata
8. Sugar Ramos
9. Pedroza
10. Esparragoza

JRFW:

1. Wilfredo Gomez


BW:

1. Fighting Harada
2. Jeff Chandler
3. Manuel Ortiz
4. Jimmy Carruthers
5. Ruben Olivarez
6. Sixto Escobar


JRBW:

1. Gerry Penalosa
2. Hirochi Kawashima

FLYW:

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Pancho Villa
3. Pascual Perez
4. Miguel Canto


JRFLYW:

1. Michael Carbajal

STRW:

1. Ricardo Lopez

 

Only thing that proves is what Bert Sugar thinks. I can supply lists that have him in the top 50 all time. Of course then you would be of the opinion that the list was **** (cuz you don't agree with it) You have no argument. Get over it, move on.

You had no IDEA that Gonzalez was the garbage man.

You just called him a very good fighter. When his name was mentioned in the original post, you wrote "So" in red next to it. You said that Jones fighting the garbage man was an illustration of the bad competition Jones fought. MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!

 

I wrote "so" becuase..so ****ing what, so I gave him props and now you want to discredit what I said..yes ...Dude..I knew he was the garbage man, totally outclassed the cat yet he kept coming....

 

You're response is "So what" when Jones beats "a good fighter" by your own admission? So you admit that even when Jones beat someone you think is a good fighter (and your standards are horrible as is being pointed out constantly) your response is that you don't care.

You don't like Jones and you are biased. This just proves it.

BTW, Woods, the overrated one who loses when he steps up, has beaten that "good fighter" 2 times now. So how is he overrated again? You keep contradicting yourself.

 

that's why he's called orishaman..the **** doesn't rate jones, hopkins, or floyd three of the best of our generation.