To the people who bash Jones' resume..

I am not any more bias than you guys....this is my list, which by the chump...which by the way....you don;t know have of the boxers on the list, clearly show your limited knowledge on the sport...but if I don;t recall wrong you did praised the list when I posted on the other thread....


You and kg can agree with each other , pad each other on the back...but still will not make it so...RJJ resume is not what you guys make it up to be...and you two can;t stand when someone start to point out the many flaws on the resume.....


You made it sound like Harding is sometype of World class boxers , he is not...like I mentioned and I said it again the only names that are worth something on his resume, he was 2-4 and KOed 2 times......those are fact...

So why you two don't mentioned the weight issues with Hill and Glen Kelly or the fact that he never fought any of the better names contemporaies of him at MW or SMW....or for that matter at LHW...he avoided punchers all his life but finally the cat was let out the box on his so so chin.....

 

That doesn't make them top 100 ATG automatically......:hi:

 

Joe C is a great fighter but he is not there yet.....it is all on the resume....


BTW..chump...why don't you post a list so we all can see the mighty one...I know chumps like you calling yourself Swet Pea like we supposed to beleive you are somekind of sweet science doctor...please...and yes my english is horibble ..nothing knew here on ESB...old news...and if you think it bothers me....it doesn;'t......

Anyhow...yes that pathetic list is mind and I can argued for why I have eveyone on the list where I have them on the list....

Cool Sweet Pea....:rofl

 

Bert Sugar's list is bad, but if you want to see a bad list, I saw a book at Barnes and Noble called "Boxing's Top 100 by Bill Gray." He used all of these formulas and to my surprise, Chavez was in the top 5 and Daniel Zaragoza was at 29 - ahead of Pernell Whitaker, Alexis Arguello, Thomas Hearns, and Bernard Hopkins. I was going to buy it until I saw his actual list - then I realized it wasn't worth 1 penny.

Here's a link to it...
http://www.ibroresearch.com/Books/Books_pg03.htm

 

Cool, glad we know the criteria now. Fighters who have never been stopped ahead of all fighters who have been. Right?

You see how that sounds when applied across the board?

 

Talk about my list being wacked..well fool...lets be sure we place the boxers on the division were they had their prime or most win rather than what you think:

Starters...-Sugar Ray Robinson, makes any list of anyone that knows boxing and boxing history as a WW not a MW, SRR record as a WW far surpazed his record as a MW, as a MW his records was above average at best compare with his awsome record at WW.....you have them on both, can only be on one.....

Eder Jofre-Could be considered as BW or FW, he was 25-0 as a FW after 2years hietas...


If you don;t have Ben Villaflor as one of your top JRLW hold the World Title twice for a total of 5 years, fought everyone in the division, and you have Mayweather above him ....your history knowledge is limited...same thing for Samuel Serrano

Your boy Pernell lost his first try to the WBC title against Jose Luis Ramirez (who he beat in the rematch)in 88 it was not until he fought Greg Haugen that he won the IBF Title at LW and not until he fought Nazario to secured the World Title...at at WW he had then title for 4 years until he losted to ODLH in the controversial desicion...


And let's not get on the SMW, RJJ was never a Lineal champ , never.....sure he had a hold bunch of alphabet soup but never for the top of the division.....

BTW...chump when I menioned your name as Sweet Pea as we supposed to beleive you are some kind of Sweet Science Doctor, is because your bou Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker was a doctor of the science, and if you going to use that name you better understand that when people call sweet science doctor refering to Pernell is becuase he was one...and you well.....


...let just say that you are not even a sweet science nurse.....

BTW......Duilio Loi was a great boxer, slick and can rumble southpaw, his greatness was at LW, but his gretness cause many to duck him for many years it was not untill Carlos Oriz gave him a chance at JRWW that he finally won a title....

 

You should read the whole thing again.

One: Lineal champ in this day and age just means LINEAL. Nothing more or less. Because of the ABC belts and politics, the best champion isn't always Lineal....or are you going to tell us now that Erdai is the best LHW in the world:rofl BTW, you rated Charles at LHW and he never held a title there are AT ALL. So how are you going to ridicule someone for rating Jones at AMW for not holding the Lineal title, then rate someone yourself who didn't hold it. Hypocrite.

Two: Sweet Pea's list criteria didn't say that he only placed fighters in one weight class. If you look closely, you will see Robinson at BOTH WW and MW. You will see Chavez ranked 2 times as well...

Three: Beating the top fighter makes you best in the division. Jones beating Toney made him SMW king. LHW is debatable since DM never beat Jones and Jones never beat him.

 

:huh

So Jones getting knocked out at a late stage in his career proves that a fighter who WASN'T knocked out is greater?

I don't really see how Jones being knocked out late in his career can really have THAT bad of a detriment to his legacy... It's a two-way street. A catch-22, depending on which way you look at it.

IF Roy has a glass chin, he simply must be the greatest fighter to have ever stepped in the ring... considering his glass was only exposed so late in his career, after fighting guys like Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Hill and being the first Middleweight champion in over ONE HUNDRED years to win a heavyweight title (with a glass chin, nonetheless!).

Surely he's the GOAT, then? (going by YOUR criteria though, which most of his haters seem to subscribe to)

Going by objective criteria, usually used by his fans (conincidentally), puts Roy in a position where he more or less should be, i.e. Top 20-40 (top 10 head-to-head)

 

Just to add my 2 cents, it's posts like these that clearly show that certain posters have certain agenda's on certain issues.

 

Sweet Pea and Orishaman arguing is the internet equivalent of Golota vs. McBride.

 

I agree that both of you are "two cats who don't know what the hell they talkin' bout," as put by Roy Jones.

 

Ok , I agree with that 100%, but if anyone need to learn to comprehend is you, if we are making a top 100 list by weight class as I did, you need to make desicion so you only have boxeers on ONE WEIGHT CLASS, if not it defeat the purpose of the 100 top fighters, if not you would have SRR a the top of the list because you use the WW record but you also ahve him on the top 100 list at 23 when using his MW record..come Dude...we want to see 100 different boxers...

Now that is basic when you make any list...they are all supposed to be different...

:tired

 

Speaking of that...

Judah TKO6 Cotto (no fouls)
Taylor TKO2 Pavlik

Why don't you just go ahead and add "McCline TKO3 Peter"

 

WTF......:huh ....WTF......:huh

Peter TKO Wlad in 6:huh ...WTF