To the people who bash Jones' resume..

Difference is, boxing writers who ARE established concur with my opinion. So I have no need to write a book about what is already out there.

You're all alone out there in left field with "YOUR BOOK".

I notice you keep dodging my questions. You gonna produce these writers or what?

 

Let me break down Roy Jones' resume...

ROY JONES, JR.
51 WINS, 4 LOSSES, 38 KNOCKOUTS

• Bernard Hopkins (Undisputed MW Champion, RING LHW Champion) Future HOFer
  James Toney (MW Champion, SMW Champion, CW Champion) Future HOFer
  Mike McCallum (LMW Champion, MW Champion, LHW Champion) Future HOFer
  Virgil Hill (LHW Champion, CW Champion) Potential Future HOFer
  John Ruiz (WBA HW Champion)
  Antonio Tarver (Undisputed LHW Champion)
  Clinton Woods (IBF LHW Champion)
  Julio Cesar Gonzalez (WBO LHW Champion)
  Richard Hall (WBO Interim LHW Champion)
  Lou Del Valle (WBA LHW Champion)
  Otis Grant (WBO MW Champion)
  Reggie Johnson (WBA MW Champion, IBF LHW Champion)
  Montell Griffin (WBC LHW Champion)
  Vinny Pazienza (IBF LW Champion, WBA LMW Champion)
  Thulani Malinga (WBC SMW Champion)
  Jorge Fernando Castro (WBA MW Champion)
  Merqui Sosa
  Eric Harding
  Bryant Brannon
  David Telesco
  Derrick Harmon
  Thomas Tate

IBF Middleweight Champion
IBF Super Middleweight Champion
WBC Light Heavyweight Champion
WBA Light Heavyweight Champion
WBO Light Heavyweight Champion
IBF Light Heavyweight Champion
WBA Heavyweight Champion
18 Title Defenses
Defeated over 15 World Champions
Defeated 3 Future Hall of Famers, Potentially 4 and Possibly 5 after January 19th
Won First Title Fight in 1993, Won Last Title Fight in 2003



To me, this looks like a ALL TIME GREAT resume. His sustained brilliance at a championship level, the number of great fighters he beat, the number of champions he beat, the number of titles he won - in 4 weight classes. His resume exceeds Trinidad's, De La Hoya's, and Mosley's.

 

All alone....so 88 doesn;t count......no I am not alone on this...once again it proof that love is blind......you love for RJJ blind you from the points I make over and over...but with you is like talking to a ****ing "fungo" bat...dammit...dude ...grow up...

BTW, I posted the RJJ video KO becuase some ass hole posted the pic of RJJ busting up......so if is good for the goose.......


BTW, RJJ at 35 lost two consecutive fights by KO in worst way than any of the top MW or LHW in history never did......

 

I never said that RJJ is not a HOF, bacuase he clearly will be one but an HOF is not necessarly a ATG specially a top tier ATG.....

 

88 isn't outside the Top 100 now is it? It's clearly on the inside. And YOU said that Jones is barely top 200 in another thread...so yes, you are alone. You ignore the 20 or so posters who have given you perfectly good arguments. I think its you who is a little blind.

You gonna post those writers or WHAT?

 

88 is definitevilly inside 100, but that makes him..waht...top 90 ATG list....far from top 40 ATG as you so elocuently have decided to rank him....

 

Sure is, but it's closer than "Barely top 200" as you rank him. And as I said, Sugar himself is one man. Most writers rank Jones top 50. Sugar isn't the ONLY credible boxing writer. He is still an anomaly himself in this discussion. Just not as much of one as you are.

 

"I tell you what anybody can offer an opinion and back it with selected facts. Someone might think Ray Leonard was a better fighter than Sugar Ray Robinson and if the assessment is backed by selected statistics where Leonard has an advantage over Robinson, then the arguement for Leonard would be valid. But, if we analyze each fighter in 29 categories, as I have, rather than a select few, a fine champion like Leonard does not come close to Robinson. Leonard might emerge as the better man in a few categories, but a broader analysis will strongly favor Robinson. Consider an area such as career activity: Sugar Ray Robinson had 202 bouts in his professional career. In contrast, Ray Leonard had 40 professional fights. I found 533 champions who had more fights in their career than Ray Leonard had, but there are only six champions who had more career fights than Ray Robinson. To me, that means something. Robinson took on more risk and he was rewarded for it. Every time a boxer steps into the ring, no matter how good he is, or how poor his opponent appears to be, he is taking a risk. The degree of risk every boxer undertakes during his career, when compared to his peers, tells us something about each man. When we consider more and different facts, Robinson's advantage over Leonard -- and every fighter -- becomes clear and compelling.


Here are the 29 performance categories that I created to measure and rank 700 champions, and Sugar Ray Robinson's performance compared to category averages. The issue here is Career Quality


To analyze the career performance of 700 champions in 29 categories I developed a ranking system that has no bias and eliminates the need for opinion. While this is a robust and dependable model, I'm not claiming that it's the perfect system, but I strongly believe that a fact-based approach is a better way to rank hundreds of boxers than by the use of facts for the top few and opinions for the rest. I wanted to develop as much solid evidence as possible and have my system produce a consistent ranking by going far deeper than the usual review of wins, losses, knockouts and title fights that serve as the statistical underpinning in other books that rank fighters. I rely on this evidence to provide a different and more comprehensive view of the career of the champions than ever before.

While some ranking books focus only on a boxer's peak years -- a matter of opinion in itself -- Boxing's Top 100 isolates the peak as well as the pre and post peak years. In short, I take every boxer's entire career into account. I show his pre-peak, peak and post-peak years and we can draw conclusions as to how all fighters performed at every stage of their career. In so doing I answer questions such as: Do fighters who win a title at a young age stay on top longer? The most productive periods of a boxer's career are by definition his peak years and in my system we know what the average peak looks like, so we can give more credit to boxers with an above average peak. I don't arbitrarily give weight to any categories, I simply let every champion's performance set his position in each of the 29 categories.

After compiling career profiles of 700 boxing champions from 1882 to 2000, I isolated every champion's career into 29 performance categories. I determined medians for each category, compared every champion's performance - category by category - to overall performance medians, and determined how far above or below median every champion lies in each of the 29 categories. I distilled the results in every category into one score that I refer to as Career Quality. Every boxer's ranking is a summation of his performance in 29 individual category. The end result is his Career Quality score which is a value based on a 1-100 point scale, with 100 being the highest score a boxer can achieve.

My rankings are not influenced by any boxer's fame or historical importance. This is a study of the performance of each champion relative to the career performance of 700 champions. "


I found this very interesting article by Bill Gray and his 29 performance categories:

so lets once and for all use this categories and see where RJJ fall.....

 

And how do you determine the score in each catagory? Because if it's opinion based, you will simply give Jones lower scores. If it's fact based, we should ALL come up with the same scores regardless.

 

You don't like Roy Jones... okay. Not the first.

 

Not aat all..this is the best system I seen to rank boxers..as much as I hate to admit that the system ranked PBF 22 on the ATG ..but there it is...the 29 categories range from age the boxer started to fight, retiring age, years as champion, %wins by desicions, % loses by desicion, % KO etc...itis a very well put together system that leave any speculative elements out and deals with pure facts and analysisng all boxers by the same set of categories, he called it "Career Qulity" or "CQ " index base on 100% as the highest .....for example SRR came on top with a "CQ" index of 88 or so..anyway if you are game..I am also...and once and for all proof

 

Sure, fine by me. I will see how it rates fighters. I don't have PBF in my top 75 so I already disagree with it. I have never heard of the system.

 

I am going to by the box :

And I recomended to anyone thatis a serious Boxing Fan:


Boxing Top 100 by Bill Grey....this will take a while but if you are game..so am I....we will post the list from the book...the cat analysed 700 champions careers....

 

**** Bill Grey, **** Bert Sugar, and **** any other old ******* that thinks he's a genious on boxing just because he has liver spots.

 

I dunno Orisha....he ranks Virgil Hill as the 17th greatest fighter ever. He has Pep at #39. Frazier at #400. Benny Leonard at #139.

That's kinda dubious.