To the people who bash Jones' resume..

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  1. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    So do I, but the facts are the facts so I have eat my opinion..since it is systematic and objective system, the same yard stick use for boxers 100 years ago to contemporaries....for example ...related to PBF he wrote this, and BHop also...which I also disagree but I have to say he has a very goos system that leave opinions at the door:

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  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, but we have to know how he WEIGHS those facts. What value does he give what and is it correct?

    Can you in any conceivable way rank Virgil Hill as the a Top 20 ATG? You should look at some of the people and where they are ranked on his list.
     
  3. Orishaman

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    Yes he does but it is objective not subjective...I will say that the only draw back is that he enphasises the lenght of the career and the lenght of the fighter at the top as champ.....


    I actually taught he had Holyfield 17
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It is objective in the analysis, but only so far as the weight he puts in to the measurables. A test is only as good as it's questions. I like his setup and catagories to a point, but it is spitting out weird numbers.

    BTW, he has Roy Jones at #37 according to reviews of the book.
     
  5. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    The categories are right on IMO, but yes it is weird results...but again it is a brave attent to qualify champions.. and by his top 6 is hard to argued agaisnt:

    SRR
    Archie Moore
    Armstrong
    Duran
    JCC
    Ali

    I am out of here...I am an old man after all...we will continue this discussion tomorrow....
     
  6. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He has Jones at #37.
     
  7. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    I know..but you said it .....it spits out some weird numbers......by this formula it is hard to argue....37 SEEMS AWFLY HIGH BUT THAT'S WHAT HE HAS.......DAMMIT
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This supports my argument and even I WON'T use it lol:deal

    It has too many odd outcomes. I have Benny Leonard in my top 10...most have him in the top 30. To have him outside the top 100, along with many others invalidates his system IMO. But it's his system.
     
  9. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    I had B Leonard on my top 20 list...anyway I will buy the book and read the CQ index formula and maybe it need some minor twicking to make it work....

    I am out of here........