To those criticizing pac-- you can't really have it both ways.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by megavolt, Dec 2, 2010.


  1. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    There is a general consensus among Pac critics (even pac fans to an extent) that are saying Pac has been fighting shot/damaged fighters... Okay well lets assume we go along with this.

    1. Pac has been fighting shot fighters recently

    There is also a general consensus that Pac is generating lesser PPV buys on a per fight basis (albeit not too much less, roughly 10-15% less on avg)... Lets go ahead and go along with this too.

    2. Pac has been generating less PPV revenues recently on a per fight basis in comparison to Floyd


    Now I wonder if anyone ever stops to think there is a correlation between the two?

    Assuming that people are less likely to watch PPVs of fighters that are shot/damaged/beaten, then this cannot be an arguing point because the circumstances are not the same.
    Just because they're fighting the same fighter does not mean that the numbers can be put right next to each other. There is MORE than just one variable in these situations and really cannot be compared so easily.


    TL;DR Cotto/Hatton/Hoya/Margarito etc was damaged goods/brutalized prior to the pac fight- Okay that should mean had that not have happened the PPV numbers would obviously be affected..? Their shotness had an effect on the PPV numbers, but should not negatively reflect on the the filipino's drawing power.

    Post your thoughts! :deal
     
  2. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    My thoughts is that prizefighters should be responsible for who they fight. Taking easier fights means selling less. The public perception of the danger in a competitive bout is a factor in selling.

    emmanuel has carefully chosen who to fight in the last 2 years, so this is what happens to him.

    I give him credit for the Hatton and Cotto wins. No one wanted to see that Clottey and marg ****. That's all on his AZZ for cherrypicking them and getting lower numbers.
     
  3. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    I'm all in agreement for it making a dent legacy-wise, I just see the PPV numbers as a resultant of the discrepancy between the shotness of the one fighter, rather than the discrepancy between the draw power of the two fighters in question.
     
  4. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Damn...since when was a 700,000 and 1.1 mil ppvs considered "not wanting to see that ****" kinda ppv's? Doesn't really matter who Pac fights at this point, people will buy it...**** even that Shane Mosely joke of a jmatchup theyre proposong will do well.
     
  5. goblin 2

    goblin 2 Blue Goblin Alliance Full Member

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    jesus the cavs gotta put it together..

    edit- wrong thread haha
     
  6. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    emmanuel doing less numbers than Floyd is his own responsibility. He built his superstar by following Floyd's footsteps, beating Oscar and Hatton after Floyd did. Would emmanuel even be as big as he is if he didn't fight those two guys Floyd already beat?

    One difference between Floyd and emmanuel is that Floyd has a better sense of timing INSIDE and OUTSIDE of the ring. Floyd knows WHEN to fight guys, usually when they just did something to look good.

    May's last 5 victims -
    Mosley: Number one WW at the time, recently coming off an impressive upset KO victory
    Marquez: P4P #2 at the time, just came off an exciting KO victory
    Hatton: Undefeated
    Oscar: Brutally and impressively stopped Mayorga in a high drama fight
    Baldomir: Riding the wave of the biggest victory in his career

    emmanuel's last 5 opponents -
    marg: Was brutally KO'd and upsetted by a 37 year old man and looked like nothing in his tuneup against a low level fighter
    Clottey: He's known for losing
    Cotto: Barely won his fight against a guy known for losing
    Hatton: No longer undefeated
    Oscar: Face busted by Steve Forbes
     
  7. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pac fought 2 Non-American fighters, add that Pac himself isnt even American. That should tell you how much Pac has caught the local audience. Doesnt matter who he's fighting, they just want to see an exciting fight.
     
  8. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good points and I can't wait to see some of the responses to this. Manny's fans are so blind that he'll sell with whomever he fights IMO. Floyd has blind fans as well, making it so he's guaranteed sells. (I'm assuming you're comparing those two since nobody else active is close in sells right now. ****, now we'll have the smartasses in here saying Floyd isn't active won't we? Ehh. :yep) But if you compare common opponents Floyd sold more. Neither of their last two opponents have been big PPV sellers, they sold what they did because of Floyd and Manny. That being said, I still believe evidence points to Floyd having more drawing power. Pac is close though, and could surpass him in the future.
     
  9. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pacs the biggest draw in the world, Floyd is a slightly bigger draw in the US and rapidly losing that status as we speak.
     
  10. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    The American media loves emmanuel moar than they love their own. Does Floyd, the guy who flagged FOR THE STATES during the '96 ATLANTA Olympics, get access to older White America by being AZZked to endorsed a politician and going onto 60 mins? The pinoy media cares to put up "bad things" about emmanuel like his extra woman, the America media doesn't do that. The American media makes a deal out of Floyd's random personal life **** like Floyd punching a *****, but the American media does not showcase the fact that emmanuel is being sued by two American entities right now for breaching contracts

    Floyd's last fight was with Mosley. These two guys share an ethnic background, meaning they don't get to access as many markets to sell their PPV. emmanuel had the boxing, pinoy, and Mexican fanbases to sell his last bout to.
     
  11. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal
     
  12. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do we have international numbers to back that statement up? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see for myself and not blindly agree.
     
  13. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    its called an intuitive leap....but just for fun, go google pacquiao and compare the search results for the search results for Floyd Mayweather jr. I'd guess the difference would be like 20-1.
     
  14. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's easy to type in a few letters, way different to cash out money to watch a fight. That speaks to popularity, not PPV drawing power. :good
     
  15. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    All that **** means nothing if the fighters make nothing off their fights being broadcasted in the bum**** middle no nowhere.