To those criticizing pac-- you can't really have it both ways.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by megavolt, Dec 2, 2010.


  1. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Think really hard about what you just wrote and ask yourself; do you really believe that someone's popularity dont affect his ppv drawing power? Here's another intuitive leap---popularity is directly related to ppv drawing power. Pac lives in the most densely populated area in the world...and theyre all Asian, which leads me to another intuitive leap---there's prolly at the very least 150 million people who watched pac fight margo. 90 mil from the Philipinnes, and throw in another 50 mil from neighboring countries. And thats a modest estimates seeing theres 1.5 billion people in China.
     
  2. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    But...but...Floyd....PPV...but...roids.... :lol:

    I love how some of these ******* demand solid proof (Floyd's assault charges--"Where's the pics of her face!!"--or Pac's worldwide popularity), but if a crackhead says he's on PED's, that's good enough!
     
  3. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Popularity does affect drawing power, but how can you estimate the amount of people that buy PPVs over there? How many PPVs do you think they sold outside the US that night?
     
  4. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl It's not good enough, that's why some of us want the best testing to be taken by BOTH athletes. :thumbsup
     
  5. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    so emmanuel is moar loved than Floyd in America and the rest of the world, but he can't even outsell Floyd in one country.

    Floyd's purse guarantees for fights tops emmanuel's guarantees. Floyd is smarter than emmanuel when it comes to the business of boxing. emmanuel can be wiser with cash outside of the ring than Floyd, but this is about boxing. Let's just leave it at that.
     
  6. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    The thread's not about popularity- it was about shot fighters equating to less ppvs.

    @ Leon - I know the point you're trying to make, "it is what it is" but what I'm pointing at is the rationalization process of it, as people are trying to rationalize who is really drawing more and why, and if you go far enough to pull same fighters they fought, you might as well go the whole 9 yds and see the circumstances that particular fighter was in. The "shotness" of the fighter would indeed need to be taken into consideration.

    Otherwise, people can come back with "well pac made more PPV buys this year" no duh he fought twice, but it is what it is..
     
  7. PaoloMirani

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    Hey the best I can do like I said is to make an educated guess, an intuitive leap, a logical deduction...use my common sense. Im sure if you really wanted to know the answer to that it would be availabe. But me persoanlly aint doin research unless im gettin paid for it and i cant read any asian languages so i'd have a hard time doing it anyways...but really, sometimes the proof is in the pudding.
     
  8. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As far as shot fighters... Margo's first bout back in the US was his time for redemption, he brought plenty of ppvs himself. Hatton brought his people from overseas and plenty of ppvs. Cotto won his paper belt and had just successfully defended his title with a bad cut from a headbutt opened early, he brought ppvs as well.

    Now I'm not saying they brought what Pac did, I doubt any of them accounted for half the sales. But I don't think their sales declined a whole lot from being shot and that's why Manny's selling less. Just my opinion though!!!!!!
     
  9. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think any guess would be flawed unless I knew about their economy, how many people over there buy boxing PPVs on average, hell anything to go off of besides raw population. But maybe you know more about that than I and your guess wouldn't be flawed!
     
  10. tarugojones

    tarugojones Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pac sold more ppv than Floyd in 2010.:deal

    Pac made more money than Floyd in 2010.:deal
     
  11. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well it aint based entirely on population. Japan has the 2nd largest economy in the world, China just from sheer size id assume is up there too....korea, taiwan, ,malaysia, indonesia...alot of the worlds biggest econmies are in that region. Then you factor in the popularity of boxing over there...look at lower weights, theyre dominated by lil asian dudes. Now you have this asian guy being p4p#1....so its fair to assume that a rich region would want to pay to go watch one of thier own. Even in poor countries like the Philippines, someone still has to pay for broadcasting those fights in all the movie theaters...really, exact numbers arent even necessary to validate the assertion that Pac makes a shitload of money outside of America.
     
  12. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Touché I'm far too gone to argue with this and don't even think I could in a sober state. :rasta
     
  13. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    The reason however for this to even be brought up as an argument is the purse for the fight.

    Will Floyd be getting any of those overseas revenues? They are talking the American money. The HBO PPVs. The dollaz. You can say Pac's not American, but that has no bearing on the American PPV, which is a substantial portion of the total purse.
     
  14. Zak2

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    Pacroid is more loved than PBF in the old USA, even though PBF is from the USA and Pacroid is from the phillipines.
     
  15. Leon

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    It's very hard to make a raw comparison.

    The only guy emmanuel has fought recently who wasn't busted up in anyway was Clottey, but that mother****er has no fans. emmanuel's pure numbers are 700K.

    Floyd's lowest number in recent years was 920K with Hatton. How much of it was due to Hatton is hard to figure out. He wasn't exactly that big in the US.

    The most telling numbers to me are the DLH numbers. Floyd did 2.44mil while emmanuel only went to 1.25mil. That's a 1.19mil difference. Yes, DLH was busted up by Forbes, but 1.19mil is a big AZZ number. The difference in their DLH numbers is greater than emmanuel's total with marg. It goes to show when there's a big AZZ event, Floyd really knows how to sell.