To those of you who ARE suspicious of Pac...

Nay_Sayer · Dec 24, 2009

PH|LLA said: ↑

Pac is gonna test clean.
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He has to agree to the test first before he can test clean.

What's the hold up?

Xavier · Dec 24, 2009

dublynflya said: ↑

As a fan of both, I just want to see a good fight! Like you Xavier, I do believe that Floyd will win if this fight goes ahead and all this and I also agree that all this additional testing is unnecessary! It's a shame the Mayweather's don't have as much confidence in Floyd as his fans do! If they did, this would never have been a topic for discussion!!
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Hear Hear :good

They need to quit jerking us around - high time they settled this all so we can just sit back and argue over who's gonna UD who, who's gonna get KTFO etc :bbb.

Unfortunately for Floyd, seems like his fans are losing confidence in him too.

thatguy · Dec 24, 2009

either way, even if it was just rumours that sr started, after not agreeing to the blood test he will have a few million ppl feeling suspicious now.

Untouchable Man · Dec 24, 2009

enzo said: ↑

Thats why there are what you call ATG fighters... :deal

all they are asking is a 5-7 days before the fight cut off... they also agreed to take the test immediately after the fight, what more can you ask for? atsch
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Margarito damn near ended cottos life, if the right precautions were taken before the fight, Cotto might have stood a better chance. Everybody knows margo is a cheat but that dont help cotto none.

Thirdman · Dec 24, 2009

I just don't understand why the question can't be raised. Floyd Mayweather Sr., crackhead or not, has fought world class opponents and has been in the business for many years. His suspicions are not totally unfounded. You can name at least 3 fighters than can possibly beat Floyd but can't name 1 fighter that has a chance to beat Pac convincingly. And don't say Floyd because you don't think he has a chance either.

Gunns4hire · Dec 24, 2009

Slothrop said: ↑

Pac struggles with, and by many estimations LOSES to, Marquez at 130 lbs. Then he knocks the **** out of Diaz at 135, a weight at which many feard would be a titch too high for the Pac man. THEN he ****ing moves up to 147 lbs not even six months later and brutalizes Oscar ****ing De la Hoya, OBLITERATES the top guy at 140, and then DESTROYS the hardest hitting welterweight in the world after taking numerous flush shots without effect. Now he doesn't want to take blood tests during certain time periods leading up to a fight at 147. Something doesn't smell right.
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Right

Sooo I thought about this the other day and pacs. Success. Is odd...the way he moved up and got more powerfull...2nd. A person who his superstitious about blood being taken out their body would not agree to blood test ever!!!..manny is only refusing to take the test within 30days of the fight.....sounds like he is juicing

bald_head_slick · Dec 24, 2009

Please explain this video. Why does this video conflict EVERYTHING Manny's camp said? Why?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbmqay72a6o&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

BOXING/MMAFAN · Dec 24, 2009

like i said in another thread just let them both fkn take steroids and see who can mix together the best ingredients and come away with the win

Gunns4hire · Dec 24, 2009

bald_head_slick said: ↑

Please explain this video. Why does this video conflict EVERYTHING Manny's camp said? Why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbmqay72a6o&feature=player_embedded
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Wow!!!!!

I'm done this ***** is cheatin....I bet....his camp is hiding sumthin

itliangladiator · Dec 24, 2009

pit said: ↑

what wrong with a proper testing procedure ? this **** would not have been a big deal if pac would have just taken the ****ing test instead of coming with excuses for not taking it.
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In terms of championship boxing, it isn't a proper testing procedure because these kinds of tests have never been done in boxing before. The Nevade State Athletic Commission has one of the most, if not the most, stringest testing procedures in professional boxing. Mayweather Sr. scared the **** out of his son and Floyd is now demanding these kinds of tests.

itliangladiator · Dec 24, 2009

Gunns4hire said: ↑

Right

Sooo I thought about this the other day and pacs. Success. Is odd...the way he moved up and got more powerfull...2nd. A person who his superstitious about blood being taken out their body would not agree to blood test ever!!!..manny is only refusing to take the test within 30days of the fight.....sounds like he is juicing
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Says the guy with a Mayweather avatar. Nice.

SoxNation · Dec 24, 2009

I'm suspicious for two reasons:

1. Pacquiao is moving up in weight and bullying and blowing up guys much bigger than he is. That never happens. You see fighters outbox bigger fighters, but not annihilate them.

2. He refuses to take random blood tests. Refusing to take random blood test shows the chances of him not taking something are very slim.

I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but come on.

PirateGorilla · Dec 24, 2009

Xavier said: ↑

And have been since the "trial" began with May Sr's comments.

Just so we're clear on this issue - what are your reasons for being suspicious of Pac in the 1st place?

Now if you are to take May Sr's comments on board (getting through the gibberish), it paints a particular picture. What he said was that as Pacquiao continued to rise through the weight classes - his performances far exceeded expectations. That we have
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- a little guy moving up the weights and knocking people out left right and centre. It ain't normal, man.

Going by this analysis, you are basically calling Pac a superhuman :shock:. Because if you agree his actions within the squared circle have been a little too remarkable to be achieved without performance enhancers, you are giving him a certain kind of kudos.

Which is inconsistent (but not totally contradictory) with how many (of the same people who now accuse Pac of doping, and indeed Floyd himself) viewed this fight in the first place,
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. So how come the tune changes now?

See I for one don't think it's worthwhile to do this extra testing. I still feel nothing that remarkable was achieved. While I do give Pac huge credit for his last 3 outings - calling them superhuman is taking it a little far. My view is consistent. I think Money May will win. Given the current state of fighters and their boxing (history & skills), May will take the V. Why is this not the same for FMJ fans, or even self-proclaimed Floydettes?

The only other thing I can think of is a discussion I was previously having with another poster re: Manny's body size. We both came to some conclusions, though I can't really say anything for sure because I am unfamiliar with Manny's EXACT training regime the past few years. Yes that does make a big difference, in case you're wondering.

I then have to ask why Manny's supposed seismic muscular gain never came into question before this fight.

Further, if you now take this angle, then I assume you have to concede that Manny is a lot bigger than most are making out, and therefore has a better chance of victory against the supposed larger opponent. After all, packing on all this muscle and additional KO power that is supposedly freakish in nature (I don't think so at all, remember) means that there are definate concerns these will be a problem for Floyd in the fight.

You can't have it both ways. All I ask is that you be consistent.
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The fact that they are refusing random blood testing.

bald_head_slick · Dec 24, 2009

SoxNation said: ↑

I'm suspicious for two reasons:

1. Pacquiao is moving up in weight and bullying and blowing up guys much bigger than he is. That never happens. You see fighters outbox bigger fighters, but not annihilate them.

2. He refuses to take random blood tests. Refusing to take random blood test shows the chances of him not taking something are very slim.

I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but come on.
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Also remember that since moving up all of his camps have been in the Philippines.

They say taxes... Some may say...

negrotigre · Dec 24, 2009

Xavier said: ↑

And have been since the "trial" began with May Sr's comments.

Just so we're clear on this issue - what are your reasons for being suspicious of Pac in the 1st place?

Now if you are to take May Sr's comments on board (getting through the gibberish), it paints a particular picture. What he said was that as Pacquiao continued to rise through the weight classes - his performances far exceeded expectations. That we have
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- a little guy moving up the weights and knocking people out left right and centre. It ain't normal, man.

Going by this analysis, you are basically calling Pac a superhuman :shock:. Because if you agree his actions within the squared circle have been a little too remarkable to be achieved without performance enhancers, you are giving him a certain kind of kudos.

Which is inconsistent (but not totally contradictory) with how many (of the same people who now accuse Pac of doping, and indeed Floyd himself) viewed this fight in the first place,
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. So how come the tune changes now?

See I for one don't think it's worthwhile to do this extra testing. I still feel nothing that remarkable was achieved. While I do give Pac huge credit for his last 3 outings - calling them superhuman is taking it a little far. My view is consistent. I think Money May will win. Given the current state of fighters and their boxing (history & skills), May will take the V. Why is this not the same for FMJ fans, or even self-proclaimed Floydettes?

The only other thing I can think of is a discussion I was previously having with another poster re: Manny's body size. We both came to some conclusions, though I can't really say anything for sure because I am unfamiliar with Manny's EXACT training regime the past few years. Yes that does make a big difference, in case you're wondering.

I then have to ask why Manny's supposed seismic muscular gain never came into question before this fight.

Further, if you now take this angle, then I assume you have to concede that Manny is a lot bigger than most are making out, and therefore has a better chance of victory against the supposed larger opponent. After all, packing on all this muscle and additional KO power that is supposedly freakish in nature (I don't think so at all, remember) means that there are definate concerns these will be a problem for Floyd in the fight.

You can't have it both ways. All I ask is that you be consistent.
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Olympic gold medalists ****** Gatlin, Marion Jones, boxers Shane Mosley and Antonio Margarito's indiscretions, Barry Bonds, Mark Mcgwire and other cheats who have beaten the system for a time are why I am skeptical of Manny Pac and have been for some time.

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