To those who believe Roy Jone's weightloss destroyed him

Jones probably weighed 193 on fight night when he fought at LHW, so he didnt really put any weight on for his fight against Ruiz, he just didn't have to slim down to 175 for the weigh in. thats why I always thought the weight issue was a very poor excuse for Jones lackluster performances after the first Tarver fight

 

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Tell me, friend.. does he look like he's packing fat at 193lbs?

Puhlease!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

**** sake

A couple of points.

Archie Moore piled on pounds of fat between divisions and never looked anywhere near a modern athlete. He was a genius of boxing and could get buy on that. Foster fought on or around 190lbs at heavy and looked fleshy compared to his fights at 175lbs.

Jones, who was actually 199lbs (the scales were way off as was acknowledged by Marc Ratner) added 20lbs+ of genuine muscle and still had a very low body fat %.

Jones had to eat one ice cube (per day) in the lead up to his first fight with Tarver. He was horrendously weakened and never really recovered. Now that he has, his body is old and shot.

Your argument stinks of **** and ****!

 

Yeah but Roy lost all muscle which is different and every one is affected in certain ways. Think about this. Roy was in great shape his entire career yet after he drops down to lightheavy weight he suddenly starts breathing with his mouth open and tired as hell after a few rounds. That doesn't just happen unless you are burning muscle every time you train because muscle helps give you stamina.

 

The weight loss heavily affected Roy in his first fight with Tarver but he somehow was able to overcome that hurdle and win. From the Tarver II fght, I don't think the weight loss had any more affect on his body, although his rapid loss of fluid movement on his feet, was most likely triggered from his jump up into being a heayweight at the age of 34 !

Roy's main problem after the Tarver II fight onwards, was the fact that he was never the same fighter mentally. His chin wasn't his main problem, nor the fact that his legs were somewhat gone. He lost that unshakable confidence that's so essential to every high level competing athletes, in any given sport. That was so evident in the Tarver-Jones III fight.

He was never the same mentally and many disregard that aspect too often by simply saying he was physically shot... He sure wasn't the same physical specimen from 35 onwards but his mental psyche drastically let him down. The seemingly over confident "social persona" he was putting out, simply couldn't hide that aspect !

 

I find it strange that someone with a glass chin wasnt even rocked by either aprime Hopkins or Toney.

Very odd.

He never got knocked out until he was 35,and has been knocked out a sum total of THREE TIMES IN 61 FIGHTS! Despite being in with countless world champions.

Yup,real chinny alright. :roll:

As for his resume. He beat

Antonio Tarver
Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
A prime John Ruiz who had 30 pounds on him.
Motell Griffen
Mike McCallum(albeit an aged one,although no older than Jones was when he was getting knowckewd out by Green and ridiculed for it)
Clinton Woods
Reggie Johnson
Eric Harding
and a good few other decent mid level fighters(vinny panzienza,J.C. Gonzalez,Jeff Lacy,Eric Lucas etc)


Seems like an OK resume to me. Few HOF'ers in there.
Not exactly a joke resume,now is it?

 

He's like a broken record....same ****, different day !

 

That's called roid use.

 

Weight loss ruined Jones my ass! It's simply the BS excuse that he always gave for the bad performance agaisnt Tarver and you bunch of morons fell for the phony excuse.... but revisionist history would tell us tha tit wasn't the weight whch bothered him so much as it was his natural physcal decline due to advanced age. :deal

 

Did you watch his first fight vs Tarver? Jones easily look really drain from coming back down to lightheavyweight. After that it shows that Jones is clearly not the same fighter and will never be down the road. You can say all you want about "excuses" but the bottomline is that Jones moving back down to light heavyweight was the biggest mistake in his career.

 

It's a fact that Jones clearly was weight drain from moving back down to light heavyweight.

 

Excellent post, people like to forget that he actually won the first Tarver fight

 

Here's another example.........

Chris Byrd... I really have no idea how much weight he lost... Somewhere near 30 pounds... Went in and got beat the hell up... Went up to Cruiserweight afterward, and looked a little fresher...

 

Jones only weighed what? 198? 200?

Before he fought at 175 with regular de-hydration.

All he had to do was not de-hydrate and add a few pounds. Any moron can do that, never mind a pro athlete with access to any expert he chooses who can predict his body weight to the nearest half pound if it is so needed.

Not that big of a deal.

The man was getting on. He was old and even the tiniest degradation in reflex will cost. After he got KOED once, it was a different ball game. He kept getting older and kept taking punches. It was a dramatic fall, but I don't see the mystery.

Yes, the weight loss certainly did not help, and neither did his age or the fact that he is a boxer who will slow in reflexes without the aging process due to inevitable brain trauma. He was not a real superman. It was just a nickname! Gee.