To those who believe Roy Jone's weightloss destroyed him

When a fighter in Jones age moving back down to lightheavyweight losing all that big muscles will never ever be the same again. Even though Jones beat Tarver in the first fight, he barely got by Tarver in which Jones look really weak in that fight. Some actually thought that fight was a draw or a Tarver win.

 

Wow, I thought he weighed in higher than that too.

And yes, this is correct.

 

Lmfao @ People here thinking losing just 8 pounds is no problem for the pro fighters.

 

Yes, some people who had no idea how to score a boxing match. There is not always complete consensus, but there is here.

No-one in any serious debate goes against Roy. It was a good fight but a clear victory.

It was certainly done to death here.

 

Read my initial post. When many factors are involved, why pick on one?

Second, given the amount of time, expert advice in physiology and nutrition and the fact that they are indeed pro athletes, it is not the problem that it is made out to be.

No-one ever said it helped.

 

So damn true, and so damn typical!

 

Yup. And to clarify, RJ was 202 lbs on fight night and that was in peak condition with no excess. He didn't lose fat/excess, he lost muscle.

 

You speak a lot of truth but it is the polar opposite of the nuthuggers and the truth really is somewhere in the middle. RJJ did beat good fighters; guys like Toney, Hopkins, Hill, et al. The comeback is that they weren't prime (hopkins) or weight drained (Toney) etc. But there is ALWAYS an excuse.

Roy was an amazing fighter and really one of the most gifted athletes inside the squared circle. Could he have fought better fighters and won? Probably. Could he have had more losses by fighting greater fighters? Probably. That doesn't mean he wouldnt have given ANY fighter problems when he was at his prime.

Years down the road, he won't be remembered for his twilight years fights. Emotions will not affect judgement in 20 years and analysts will remember his reflexes, skill and power in both hands. His reflexes were the best I have seen and for that it is NO surprise he gets iced cold now because he never developed true fundamentals like Toney or Hopkins (whom he beat).

He played the game and he played it well. Who cares if he had a great HBO contract. Who cares if he fought guys that were amazing but not peaked (toney and hopkins). They were still high level A+ competition that he beat relatively easily. A fighter will always be critiqued as "ducking" or "over-rated" but one really can't deny his true athleticism and ring brilliance when he was putting it on in his prime; regardless of competition.

 

Byrd is a different case because he was actually a natural hw, unlike Jones who was a hw for one fight. Byrd normally walked into the ring around 218 and tried to drop down to lhw, which is just asking for trouble. Im guessing that he went from 218-185 then drained himself to make the 175 limit. so you are looking at around 35 lbs of body mass. Jones weighted in at 193 with shoes, tracksuits and a jumper on. The chances are he was around 190 lbs minus the clothes. So he would of had to lose around 5 lbs then drain to make the 175 limit.

 

Utter bull****. Jones did not weigh 193 lbs with shoes, tracksuits and a jumper on. atsch He officially weighed 193 lbs but the doctor who weighed him admitted that he made a mistake and that he was actually 199 lbs. My guess is, he did in it purpose because the higher ups told him to understate RJ's weight in order to draw more attention. The bigger RJ is, the better his chances of winning to the public perception.

And when he weighed himself before the fight on an ESPN documentary, he was 202. Not official of course but he was a lot closer to 200 lbs of pure muscle than 190. So let's get that right.

 

And Chris Byrd lost weight because he started to fall in love with running. He said he would run a lot all the time and he just naturally started losing weight. So when he get close to 175, he said why not try 175. Problem is, he was a walking skeleton and he didn't realize it until he got in the ring. His reflexes were all gone. There's a difference between losing excess/fat and losing muscle.

 

you have to remember too that those guys like Archie Moore were weighing in the day of the fight NOT 36 hours before like todays fighters do and rehydrate. That is much harder to do and slams the other myth about Jones the guy has PLENTY of time to readjust back to 175 he just had no Chin and can't take a punch. :deal

 

Do you think its physically possible for a man to put on 20 lbs of muscle during a 6 week training camp?

Also when did the doctor say he made a mistake?

I had to lol at that doc especially when he stepped on the scales, you should take a look at the scale reading again. It said 20 stones which equals 300 lbs not 200 lbs, Jones set the scale wrong