To those who say "Jones should've fought Eubank/Benn/Collins"...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Jun 17, 2011.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    The accusation that Jones ducked/avoided/did not pursue fights with Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn and/or Steve Collins seems to be gaining popularity these days.


    And it simply isn't true.


    Benn lost his title to Sugarboy Malinga in March 1996 (FYI Jones had dominated and stopped Malinga years earlier). Eubank lost his title to Steve Collins in March 1995. Jones only moved up to supermiddleweight in November 1994 when he fought a far bigger name and more highly rated fighter, James Toney.


    So really he could probably never have fought Eubank. There was 5 months between Jones-Toney and Eubank-Collins. For all we know, Eubank-Collins could have been arranged prior to November, thus meaning the fight could never have happened. Even if the fight wasn't planned until a while after the Jones-Toney fight, is it really right to criticize Jones for not taking a unification fight in his very 1st defence at a new weight? Is it really right to criticize Jones when we don't know how much money Eubank, as an established star in Britain, would have been looking for to leave his comfort zone in the UK or to consider losing in the UK against Jones (p4p#1 or 2 immediately after the Toney fight)? Jones was not huge box office back then remember. He was a rising star, but not a superstar with a huge following of fans in 1994, so he didn't have massive funds behind him.


    To mention Benn is similarly short-sighted. It was well-known at the time that a superfight between Jones Jr and Gerald McClellan was under discussion. McClellan challenged Benn to win his title and make a Jones-McClellan fight a huge unification bout at 168. Was McClellan thought to be a more dangerous fighter than Benn at the time? Undoubtedly he was. Therefore, Jones was waiting to secure a more dangerous fight than Benn. The Benn v McClellan fight was in February 1995 - 4 months after Jones v Toney. Jones was already involved in a bigger, better fight than Benn, and by the time he had beaten Toney, McClellan-Benn was scheduled.


    Benn didn't read the script, but that was hardly Roy's fault. Do you think Benn wanted a fight with Roy Jones right after the McClennan fight? Of course he didn't. And then he lost to Malinga. So that fight wasn't viable either. There was a tiny window where it could've happened (Feb 95-Mar 96), and Benn didn't leave the UK in that time, nor show any interest in fighting the world p4p#1.


    Collins first won the supermiddle title in March 1995 by beating Eubank, then he fought Eubank again, then he settled for two routine hometown defences in Ireland, then he fought Benn twice, and by this time Jones had moved up to light-heavyweight. Does this sound like a guy who was dying to come over to the USA and fight peak Roy Jones? Apparently he called out Jones, but nothing happened. An empty gesture??
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    I severely doubt it.


    Jones moved up to light-heavyweight in Nov 1996. Therefore, he had an 18-month window to fight Collins, and Collins filled this by fighting Eubank and Benn twice each for big money at home. Again, is it fair that Jones is criticized for not fighting him when you actually examine the situation? I say it's a genuine no.


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  2. krishv123

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    collins Benn Eubank were never in the top 2 supe rmiddle when Jones was about.

    Nunn, Toney and Jones were better....Eubank vs Benns was a great rivalry though.


    There have been 3 Eras in the super middle.

    1st. Jones, Eubank, Nunn, Collins, MBenn, Mcullum ,Reggie Johnson, Toney.

    2nd Calzaghe, Beyer, Kessler,Reid, CatleyBrewer, Lacy, ottke

    3rd. Froch,Kessler, Ward, Bute Dirrell, Abraham, etc.


    the Jones era was the strongest ,....imagine a super 6 then??? Wow.

    Calzaghes era was ****...no wonder he stayed undefeated
     
  3. JuniorMuhammed

    JuniorMuhammed New Member Full Member

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    interesting article but why do people forget that the snake joe calzaghe could of fought roy or eeven hopkins when they were dominating? but he chose the easy way out and then waited till they were old to fight them? people dont give rocky marciano enough credit so why the hell should someone like joe get any? dont forget hes crack addict! probs was on crack while he was fighting
     
  4. KO-KING

    KO-KING Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He called both of them out since 2002,
    Everyone called out jones, they couldn't get him so they fought each other again.
     
  5. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    very strong group, add gerald mcclellan
     
  6. DaveyboyEssexUK

    DaveyboyEssexUK Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins signed to fight Calzaghe in 2002 but pulled out at the last minute by demanding double the money and so got sued by ******, To Jones the risk was too high and the reward too low cos america didnt know much of Calxaghe although the boxing world new how good he was. So its the other way around Hopkins and Jones fought Calzaghe when they had nothing to lose and he had his unbeatan record to lose.... get your facts before spurting crap out
     
  7. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think the point here is that Jones was "the man" at the time. So if those guys really wanted Jones, they had to come to the U.S. If they weren't willing to do that, it's their fault.

    Just like when Jones was in the twilight of his career, he realized he was no longer "the man" and was readily willing to go to Wales to fight Calzaghe. He also went to Australia and Russia.
     
  8. FrochFan7

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  9. DaveyboyEssexUK

    DaveyboyEssexUK Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That point can be turned right on its head If hes was Da Man what was to hold him back from going to another country? If he was the Big Thing, better to go elsewhere and show your greatness right??no he stayed in his comfort zone. And Yes the same thing can be said for Calzaghe too , so its a dead heat and your at loggerheads!
     
  10. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Benn is the one that came closest to fighting Jones. After the G-Man fight.
    Both men admitting that the other would bring the best out them, and both had great respect for each other.
    Benn seemed to want the fight more than Roy. At the same time Benn had nothing left really after the McClellan fight.
     
  11. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You live in a dream world. Boxng is business. As "the man", why on Earth would he risk everything by going over to another fighter's home country where he might get robbed of a terrible decision, terrible referee.

    I mean do you know what happened to RJ in 1988 in Seoul? :patsch
     
  12. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He definitely should've fought Eubank instead of Griffin or Nunn instead of Hill.
     
  13. horst

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    Nah, Eubank was years past his best by '97, and had already been beaten twice by Collins. And Hill was more highly ranked in '98 than Nunn was, undoubtedly. You're evidently only concerned with 'big name' fighters, rather than the circumstances of the times in reality.
     
  14. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Good analysis, the "ducking" usually gets blown out of proportion while the details get filtered out as time passes. Benn and McClellan were damaged by the time Roy would have been able to fight them. Something to note as well is that by the apex of his LHW career, he had dealt with 8 or so of the top 10 in the division, barring Michalczewski, who eventually lost to Gonzalez who Jones had defeated earlier.
     
  15. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This Da Man title seems a bit unfair, why was it understandable for Jones to stay at home when he was DA Man but not Calzaghe? Why can Ward stay at home while hes Da Man but not Bute?. Is their special fake Da Man titles or somethiing?