To those who think HBO "bought judges" in past Taylor fights......

why do you even watch boxing mate, go and watch that **** of game with those girls rolling on the ground after som one touchs them, football

 

As did every other single tv station broadcasting the fight beside HBO

Everybody had it 4-2.

 

EVERYONE had it 4-2, except for the Ledermans

people need to stop listening to Harold Lederman

Taylor has not benefited from corrupt judging, people are just idiots

 

You must be giving Taylor credit for looking better in shorts, then. No unbiased judge could have scored that fight a shutout or 5-1 Jermain.

 

I've heard the 'pressure' is subtle, but real. They know the desired outcome from listening to the 'right' people and if they want the gig, they play along. If not, no more cushy jobs getting PAID to sit at ringside in a seat that would otherwise be sold for big bucks. Hey, it sounds reasonable to a guy with ABSOLUTELY NO FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE with any of this. I think the one judge would have grudgingly given Kelly the 7th 10/9 if Taylor had managed to get up! As it was she scored it 10/8. :yep

 

hey douchebags, here is a ringside report of someone who seems unbiased and who scored it 5-1 for Taylor going into the 7th

Taylor vs. Pavlik Round by Round Commentary & Full Undercard Report
By: Christopher Roche, Ringside

Ring Entrances: Kelly Pavlik entered the ring to heavy metal music and massive cheering. Jermain Taylor entered to rap music and loud booing.

There was no mistaking the pro-Pavlik crowd, as “Team Pavlik” shirts and Youngstown, OH banners were spotted all throughout Boardwalk Hall.

Round 1

Taylor opened the round with a hard right hand over the top. Taylor pumped his jab several times, and he showed superior hand speed, especially with his lead left. Pavlik landed two or three decent right hands, but Taylor controlled the tempo.

My Scorecard: Taylor


Round 2

Taylor’s strong left hand and hand speed were apparent in this frame. Taylor caught Pavlik with a right hand and a left hook sent him to his knees for a knockdown. Pavlik popped up quickly, but his legs were unsteady. He did not lift his gloves up for the referee, Steve Smoger, but he walked toward him, and Smoger allowed the fight to continue. Pavlik held on for dear life, and Taylor sent a grazing right to the top of Pavlik’s head. Pavlik stumbled halfway across the ring, but then he miraculously regained his composure. By the end of the round, Pavlik appeared steady.

My Scorecard: Taylor 10-8


Round 3

Pavlik came out for round three as if he never suffered a knockdown in round two. Pavlik corralled Taylor into the corner on two occasions, and he did his most effective work when he was not in the center of the ring. Taylor has a habit of backing into the ropes, and Pavlik is most effective there. Pavlik landed a hard left-right combination that reawakened the crowd, and when it was replayed on the overhead jumbotron, the crowd gasped with approval. The Youngstown crowd was back into the fight, and Pavlik had his best round so far.

My Scorecard: Pavlik


Round 4

Pavlik began landing his jab more effectively, but he could not keep Taylor on the ropes. The one time that Taylor was trapped, he effectively countered his way out. This was in stark contrast to Taylor’s past fights, and it appeared he worked hard on moving his hands when he was backed up.

My Scorecard: Taylor


Round 5

Taylor doubled up his jab and landed a nice left hook to close the three-punch left handed combination. Taylor’s speed was apparent in person, and he clearly beat Pavlik to the punch on several occasions. Taylor began controlling the tempo in the center of the ring, and he only fell into the ropes once but again countered out.

My Scorecard: Taylor


Round 6

Taylor’s left hand became most effective in this round, as he landed jabs and hooks. Pavlik’s determination and conditioning showed up here, and he continued to walk Taylor down. At the bell Taylor looked a little winded.

My Scorecard: Taylor


Round 7

Pavlik continued to stalk Taylor, but he could not trap him in the corner with the jab. Pavlik’s jab picked up steam in the last two rounds however, and he began landing more effectively. Finally, about two-thirds of the way through the round, Pavlik landed a monstrous straight right hand to Taylor’s chin that backed the champion into the blue corner, Pavlik’s corner. Pavlik moved in and landed a crunching left uppercut, and when Taylor stayed up, Pavlik obliged him with a right uppercut. Taylor was effectively out on his feet, but Pavlik threw punches until referee Smoger stopped the bout, and Taylor slumped down in the corner.

Pavlik wins by TKO at 2:14 of round 7 and becomes the new champion.


Aftermath & HBO Recap

I scored the fight in person as 5-1 Taylor (with a two point round for round 2), going into the last round. My scorecard mirrored Judge Julie Lederman’s card exactly.

When I went home and watched the fight on HBO, I was surprised that Harold Lederman and Larry Merchant scored the bout so differently. Further, I was shocked that Emmanuel Steward told Taylor that he was behind in the fight. That advice proved costly as Taylor was ahead on all three scorecards when he was knocked out. Taylor was the more accurate puncher, and he was much quicker, however, Pavlik had that extra gear that made him the champion. The bout was spectacular on television, but it was 100% better in person.

The 25 year-old Pavlik of Youngstown, OH improved to 32-0, 29

 

I don't think the judges are being paid by HBO or anything like that. I just think that JT has the type of style that gets you to initially think he's doing better than he really is due to the hay makers he throws but once you watch the fight again, you realize he wasn't as accurate in his punches. And sometimes, i think judges simply assume he's landing more punches than he's actually landing because of his style.

 

Yep. People who say that HBO fix fights, really need to look outside of the box. Just a few examples:

De La Hoya would have beaten Trinidad.
Taylor would have beaten Winky.
Margarito would have beaten Williams.
Williams would have beaten Quintana.
Judah would have beaten Baldomir.
Gatti would have beaten Robinson (HBO?)

All these would have been perfect for HBO. The man they wanted to win lost/drew in very close fights.

It's a ridiculous whiny argument based on nothing. The two Taylor/Hopkins fight could have gone either way. Stop crying about it for ****s sake.

 

Agreed.

 

I know.

It's not even like Taylor winning actually benefitted HBO. In Hopkins they had a top P4P guy, who was a true headliner. Taylor was an unknown, who lacked really big wins. If the fight had taken place further down the line then I'm sure HBO would have wanted Taylor to win, but at that point, they could make more money out of Hopkins. It makes no sense having him lose.

Hopkins made money for HBO. Taylor didn't. And people realistically want to argue that they jobbed Hopkins? For what? To throw cash down the drain?

We'll sort these dumb****s out, mate :good

 

Well stated.

But you're talking to the same kind of folks who think Buckingham palace had Diana whacked. Reason doesn't play much of a role here.

 

Cuz people know **** about boxing and will be lead by the nose by anyone put forward as an expert.

 

At one point in the fight Lennox Lewis protests to one of the announcers, "Yeah, but those punches aren't landing". Refering to Taylor. Maybe only boxers should score fights.