Today’s 5 P4P fighters is the best P4P class since the 80’s

Unfair to beterbiev most folks his age are in the nursing home at the time he fought Bivol and still gave a good account of himself. That fight would have been different five years prior would you agree?

 

P4P is fiction.

 

I don't know and we'll never know. I dont rate fighters careers on potential.

 

Are you talking about different things here? Some comments sound like p4p means how good the fighters are at that specific moment in time and others like it means how good their overall career was start to Finish. Others sound like they mean how good a fighter was in his prime while he was still active at that point in time.

Hard to argue on this foundation

 

It’s not Beterbiev’s fault that both Bivol and Hearn aged him out ! Both became Champions in 2017 and Beterbiev actively hunted down the other Champions whilst Bivol did not,Hearn also made sure that Beterbiev fought all his mandatory’s when they were due where as Bivol only fought one mandatory in the same time period. The only reason the Beterbiev v Bivol fight happened is because the Saudis got involved and they could duck Beterbiev no more,at least the fight did take place but it could have happened as far back as seven years earlier. As for the results In the first fight Bivol was ahead on points going into the tenth but did relatively nothing in the last three rounds which gifted them to Beterbiev which cost Bivol the decision,in the sencond fight I did have Bivol the winner .

 

Usyk, Crawford and Inoue are unquestionable HOFers.

I can't lump Beterbiev or Bivol in there with them, though.

 

Inoue is the best offensive fighter of this generation and prime Kovalev beats both Bivol and AB IMO

 

lol potential? Didn’t say 5 years after I said 5 years before. In any case you are entitled yo your opinion. Cheers

 

How do you know? Thought you didn’t do potential

 

In terms of rankings. I don't rate Kovalev higher because I think he beats both.

 

I disagree yes Crawford's undisputed achievements are impressive but his opposition for the most part isn't that great if we're being honest.

The last few opponents he's fought in Canelo, Spence, have definitely done wonders for his career but prior to that his resume is not really anything stand out in regards to opposition.

RJJ won 23 world title fights across Middleweight, Super Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, Heavyweight, and he beat 4 fighters who are considered great in McCallum, Hill, Hopkins, Toney.

RJJ also fought fighters who were taller than him bigger than him with a longer reach.

Has Crawford ever fought any fighters taller than him bigger than him with a longer reach ?

Canelo is a bit bigger than Crawford but he's also shorter with a significantly longer reach.

RJJ's losses do hurt his legacy a bit but i also think losses when a fighter is considerably past their prime or shot need to be taken into consideration.

And before RJJ's first real loss to Tarver he was 49-1 with 23 world title wins with that sole loss being a DQ in which he was on the verge of scoring a stoppage.

I find RJJ's P4P achievements to be more impressive if i'm being honest.

Chavez won 32 world title fights which is the most world title wins in history is it not ? i'm not sure. Regardless i don't see how you can rate Usyk above Chavez who almost has 3x as many world title wins.

Mayweather and Pacquiao also fought much more notable opposition.

Let's compare Crawford's resume to Pacquiao and Mayweather.

Mayweather's best wins

Corrales
Castillo x2
Hatton
Mosley
ODLH
Gatti
Judah
Pacquiao
JMM
Cotto
Canelo
Maidana x2
G.Hernandez
Guerrero

Pacquiao's best wins

Barrera x2
Morales x2
JMM x2
Hatton
Cotto
Bradley x2
Thurman
Mosley
ODLH
Sasakul
Clottey
Margarito
Larios
Julio
Diaz

Crawford's best wins

Canelo
Spence
Brook
Madrimov
Porter
Khan
Horn
Postol
Gamboa
Burns

Which resumes look considerable better to you ?

Also Pacquiao's P4P achievements are alot more impressive as he was pretty much smaller than most of his opponents when he moved to Welterweight and he was constantly fighting with a height and reach disadvantage.

Again i disagree.

Usyk has 13 world title wins he hasn't got the numbers to compete with the fighters above.

Crawford has the numbers but not the opposition.

 

Prime RJJ was something special no doubts about it,just look at the names on his resume. As for the losses they all came after the venture up to Heavyweight and he was repeatedly told by numerous sports specialists to either stay at Heavyweight or retire as his body etc would never respond in the same way as it had prior to his Heavyweight fight,as well as the fact he was also like you mentioned a fifty fight veteran.RJJ could not walk away from the sport and unfortunately for the rest of his career the decline was terrible for him.