Today the Brit Forum Appreciates...........Julio Cesar Chavez Jr!!!!!

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  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    I've said it loads of times; Peas consistent jab wins it against Floyd. Everything else he has makes it a rout.

    Only thing Floyd has on him is an edge in handspeed.
     
  2. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Come on then, Pea against the great LWs and WWs

    I think he gives Duran nightmares personally. The come forward Duran wouldnt be hurt bad by Pea, but he'd certainly feel the shots. That wouldnt stop him coming forward though, out-muscle-ing him, trying to get his shots away. But i see Pea taking the majority on his gloves, countering duran all night (even tho Duran wouldnt get hit cleanly all the time). Duran goes to the body trying to slow his man down which he succeeds in doing. But Pea had a very good chin, and Duran's late onslaught upstairs doesnt put him away. Over 12, Pea takes a close decision. Over 15, Duran probably nicks it.

    Imagine Pea - Hearns! Or even Pea-SRL. Perhaps he wasnt a prime WW, but he'd still give this guys a good go IMO.

    How does he do against Gans, Benny Leonard, Armstrong?
     
  3. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Sweet Pea was a G! Class fighter and he's one of them fighters who was born to be in the ring. It was his home from home!.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    Hearns would destroy Pea.

    Pea and Duran would be 5-5 (no stoppages) if they fought 10 times.

    Watch Chang-Zapata I; the closet you'll get to ever seeing that fight play out ;-)
     
  5. Vano-Irons

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    I'm not sure Hearns destroys him. I do think Tommy beats him, probably by KO, but Pea had a solid chin, and Hearns could be clumsey. Pea could just as easily make him miss all night long.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    No way. Size disparity is insane, Pea never faced a hitter anything remotely like Hearns (and I rate Tito as a puncher)

    Hearns could outbox him like he did Benitez. The jab would be way too much for Pea to overcome.
     
  7. Vano-Irons

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    I dunno Mr Man. While his jab was very very good, he was vulnerable at 147.

    I also wouldnt use the Benitez fight as an example. 1) i think Pea is better defensively and 2) he was getting on a bit when they fought.

    Like i said, i still think Hearns gets to him at some stage, but i dont think he blows him out of the water.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    I do. Vulnerable? To an extent but who brought out any weaknesses in him other than Leonard at the weight?

    Pea is an underrated puncher, but he isn't getting Hearns' respect at all, and to say he might is to overrate Pea. Wipeout, no doubt.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Hearns handspeed, range and power nullifies Peas defensive radar as well IMO. He'd just get battered.
     
  10. Vano-Irons

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    His range maybe, but Pea had the edge in speed for sure. I don't think he gets Tommy's attention by dramatically hurting him, but he could be hit and Pea had pretty decent power. He definitely isn't KO-ing Hearns by any means tho. Those big swinging blows he hit Hagler and Duran with would be weaved by Pea all night IMO. if he decides to set up the punches he will fair much much better.

    Like I said, I'd take Hearns by knockout (I'm a big Hearns fan, and I've always said he has the power to knock out any Welter), but Pea's ring IQ and defensive skills means he certainly makes it past the half way point.
     
  11. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    As has been stated, seriously underrated offense in the grand scheme of things due to the fact he was such a wonderful defensive talent. He really did have a great, well-rounded style, and is one of the most skilled fighters I've ever had the chance of watching before.

    For instance, assemble Brit forum! Here's some visual evidence for you. And you. And yes, even you!:

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    Watch his body-punching on the inside, the way he's not only beating a guy by only making him miss, he's doing it by actually beating Brazier up, his ability to go on the assault and dictate the tempo in which the fight is fought at is often, and probably understandably so, overlooked.

    He wasn't a mere pot-shotter who relied on making his opponent miss, his defense was the main facet of his game, yes, but it wasn't the only facet as a lot seem to believe. The fact he rose through a few weight classes, standing in front of the adversary all the while is a testament to him. Obviously I ain't forgetting the Mayweather fight too, he's more complete than he's given credit for by many IMO.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Hearns was super fast, even compared to lighter fighters, and was no 'wild swing'er by any means :huh He did set the punches up against Duran, the K.O was set up by a perfect jab/feint to the body.

    Watch him box at range; beautiful boxer. If he gets on his bike and jabs, Pea doesn't win a single second.

    Also, as this is Welterweight, maybe the Espedas, Cuevas, Muangsurin and Leonard fights would be a better gauge?

    Hearns was a sharp shooter. He'd decimate Pea, inside 6 rounds IMO.

    Even if he doesn't, Pea has no chance of beating him, and at Welter his punches will have 0% effect on Hearns.

    To be honest, there's a difference between Pea having underrated power (which I've banged the drum for years) and overrated power. You are seriously overrating his power, Tommy would laugh at his punches. 'Pretty decent' at the lower weights, and accurate and fast higher than 140, but 'pretty decent' at 147? Not when he's taking on Hearns.

    To see how Pea handled the bigger fighters, watch his fight with Vasquez. Hearns is a bad matchup for anyone, even Pea.
     
  13. Vano-Irons

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    Flea I agreed Pea doesn't have the power to KO Hearns. I was only saying Pea wasn't feather fisted. I just think his general ring IQ means he lasts longer than half way. He still gets KOed.

    Nice addition Jpab :good
     
  14. DrMo

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    Hearns would beast him, just a bad match up for Pea

    Cuevas-Pea would be a great fight to watch, such a contrast of styles.

    It would be like Locche-Fuji on a higher level
     
  15. SportsLeader

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    Hearns is such a good fighter H2H. Not many at all that would beat him at Welter IMO.