Today the Brit Forum Appreciates...........Julio Cesar Chavez Jr!!!!!

Looks about right to me :good

 

I did a really long piece on why Frazier-Lewis was 50-50. I'll dig it up later

 

My favourite Lewis vid..
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z9ZKAs2VMM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/ame]

I think of those mentioned Ali would stand the best chance but I wouldnt bet against Lewis over 12.
Frazier would last the distance but I think Lewis would just pepper him with jabs & 1-2's.

I'd think Shavers has a chance at an upset

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=345094

 

Ali: Clay too quick, wins a decision and barely lets Lennox try and establish his jab. Now, IF Lennox can stunt Ali's rhythm with his jab...well, that's a big 'if', but if he can and can stop Ali from doing his thing, he's one of the best suited to keep his cool and not let 'The Greatests' antics get to him, and win a decision. Post-exile Ali, was less nimble of haand and foot, but was more solid IMO. He'd win a close decision over 12, and probably get Lennox out late over 15. No puncher of course, but Ali had a way of drawing even the most durable opposition (Bonavena, Foreman) into his storm and taking 'em out. Again; if Lennox can keep his cool, fight his fight and not get frustrated by the man in front of him who doesn't seem arsed by anything coming his way, he can take over by the mid-rounds and realy give it a go.

Johnson: Johnsons game is all wrong here. He likes to let sporadic, choppy right hands go and clinch up to keep it at his pace. For even the best version of Jack (i.e not the version that actually faced a fighter with similar dimensions in Willard) has very little chance here. He get sparked out at some point, by an uppercut, or survives with his cagey feints dissuading Lewis from doing anything from ramming his jab into Johnsons face. Over 12: Lewis WIDE UD

Louis: Now, I can see both arguments here. The faster, more gung-ho Lennox on the way up gets decimated, no doubt in my mind, and probably early. But the best Lennox, the more thoughtful ring general, might just take Louis out early doors (hear me out) would be very hard for Joe, especially considering how he peppered away at Carnera trying to cut the distance before he got the bombs off. I actually think Carnera shows pretty good movement in most of his fights, certainly good survival instincts. Lennox would hold his ground, and here's why I think it's bad for Joe.

When Lennox knew he had a main in front of him that was genuinely dangerous, he fought fire with fire and blasted 'em out (Briggs, Golota, Ruddock, Grant) and Louis could be caught and dropped early (Galento, B.Baer) Now, the Buddy Baer fight is key for me. Baer rushes Louis and knocks him out of the ring (with a left hook IIRC). Lennox would know this, and, unlike Tua, who lacked the footspeed and nuance to close the distance, he'd know Joe would be a live threat throughout and would try and get him out of there as soon as he could. Is it feasible Louis responds under fire as we know he did? Of course, but then Lennox's size and intelligence come into play; he holds Joe after a big shot and allows him to put together the fantastic combinations that would probably leave most ATG Heavyweights splattered across the mat. Lennox hit ****ing hard. Lewis KO3 Louis

Foreman: Now, everyone knows I love Big George, but Lennox would 'do a Tua' on him IMO, because Foreman wasn't that fast of foot. The big ask for Lennox would be when he clinches George in close when he does get there; Foremans clubbing shots hitting him in the body would definitely slow Lennox down. Luckily for him, George was no distance fighter; Lennox wins a comfortable, but competitive decision over 12 in an ugly fight.

Holmes: I think Holmes' has the faster hands and better footwork here; it's a battle of the jabs, with Larry more primed to shoot more shots off of it. Best fight out of all of these, with Larry taking a very, very close decision over 12 or a slightly more comfortable one over 15, with the more eye-catching work and higher workrate. Lennox could badly hurt him/drop him with a right hand at some point, but Larry had unparalleled levels of recovery (well, apart from Ali of course ;-))

Frazier: Right...let's see...

This is all I can find

Now, that is probably right IMO. Lewis was more of a left-handed fighter, and Lennox was more open to the right. Although, the same could probably apply to Louis, hopefully my point about the Carnera fight will show why I don't quite think it applies here (because Joe was far more methodical in his approach, and easier for Lennox to pick his punches against)

 

Nice breakdowns Flea and Dft :good

I really fancy Holmes to beat Lennox to the punch with the jab and outbox him over 12. I think he could get in and out on Lennox whilst staying out of range and backpeddaling form Lewis's offence like he did against Shavers in their first fight. The more bouncy, agile Holmes would have a lot of success against the methodical Lewis of the later years IMO.

 

I addressed this; I feel it's down to hand/footspeed where this fight is won. SportsLeader does too:

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Holmes is a lot quicker than he's given credit for I reckon. Before I'd watched his fights, I'd never gathered that he had a reputation as a quick fighter, but as soon as I watched him in action I knew he was a very nimble and agile guy who moved very well for a fighter who's main weapon was the jab. And what a jab it was. He could get in and out on just about any fighter he faced with that ramrod jab of his, he'd really stick it in a guys face and get out of there before he could get tagged himself. The speed edge he has on Lewis is fairly significant too, and though the big mans size may prove and obstacle at times, I can't see it being enough of a deterrent to prevent Holmes from landing enough to win clearly.

I know the idea of Lennox being outboxed isn't exactly a popular one (and with good reason too, he was a terrific boxer) but if anyone could do it, Holmesy is the man IMO.

 

Holmes is the better boxer, flat out, mainly because of the edge in speed he has on most. The one place Lennox really has the edge is power.

 

I think Holmes's chin is excellent too. The Tyson loss takes very little away from my assesment of his punch resistance.