Today's heavyweight "stars" are bigger because...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by djrock247, Jul 12, 2007.


  1. djrock247

    djrock247 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I noticed in another thread today that many posters were referencing the renowned greats of yesteryear (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, etc;) as "Blown Up Cruiserweights". By todays standards, using fighters like the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis as a benchmark, they were indeed smaller.

    I believe this is nothing more than a paradigm of the world at large (no pun intended). We as a people are growing larger by the minute. In the 1960s, a young Cassius Clay would be considered a giant amongst average size men. When I was in high school I was 6'1", 185 lbs. I was one of the more feared and respected kids in school and an above average size high school athlete. A mere 12 years after I graduated I went to my neighbor's son's football game. I kid you not, I would have trouble making the team. These kids are massive! 6'5", 250 lb tight ends in high school!

    So cut the old boys some slack. Had they been born 30 years later, they'd probably be as big as Wlad.
     
  2. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, and even then.. it's rare for big men like Lewis, Wladimir, Vitali to be as skilled as they are. Most fighters their size are stiffs who would've been beaten like girl-scouts at the hands of Ali, Foreman, etc.
     
  3. itliangladiator

    itliangladiator Active Member Full Member

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    Dude we all knew people are getting bigger and whats big one generation isnt as big the next. Most middleweights in the 50's(exception of RR) we 5'7", 5'8". Now its hard to find any under 5'11".
     
  4. mykolakozak

    mykolakozak Active Member Full Member

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    Not smarter? Wrong buddy. Very much more smarter. Both the Klitschko brothers are fluent in 5 languages, both with PhD's and other. Valuev is extremely smart and very well read. Most of the european HW are very intellingent. I guess you were speaking of the American boxers, the ones that scream and go crazy and dance and brag and know nothing more to say other than their own name.
     
  5. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    .... I think he means ring-smart.
     
  6. JMonster

    JMonster Active Member Full Member

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    i hear that...no heavyweight today can be compared to ne of the greats though...they just put on a lotta weight n hope to land a big shot...mine as well watch lil kids fight
     
  7. Dr Gonzo

    Dr Gonzo Yo! Molesta La Breastas! Full Member

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    he was talking ring smarts :patsch
     
  8. Dr Gonzo

    Dr Gonzo Yo! Molesta La Breastas! Full Member

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    thats the definition of irony right there
     
  9. WestSideBoxer

    WestSideBoxer Member Full Member

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    Chagaev 6'1

    Ibragimov 6'1 or 6'2

    Maskaev 6'3

    Povetkin 6'1

    Solis 6'1

    They oldboys could compete today!
     
  10. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bigger but not better.
     
  11. WestSideBoxer

    WestSideBoxer Member Full Member

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    exactly!
     
  12. Big D

    Big D New Member Full Member

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    There is some truth to what you saying, however there were methodical 6'6 heavyweights back in the day also, and they got their ass sparked by the 180 lb HW's .. I think people for the most part are growing bigger, but its around the waist line due to all the fast food and bad diet . People didn’t have all that grease in their bodies back in the day. Today its a fast food world

    if 80% of today's Hw's were in true boxing condition they would be 6"5 227 lb, just like Lewis was vs. Ruddock . look at the waist line of most these heavyweights today. No diet or self control . no conditioning.

    some fighters believe there in no weight limit at HW.. that’s where they are completely misguided. If your not at your correct weight, you can't get your shots off , It simply throws off your biomechanics . thus your off balance and you throwing one punch at a time ... When fighters come in correct, they can throw the 5 6 7 punch combinations . Its something your rarely see in today’s heavyweights.
     
  13. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, back in his heyday, *Big* George Foreman was seen as a big heavyeight.

    But now, a 6 foot 4, 225 heavy is probably close to the median size for a heavyweight.

    The strange thing is that not only are we seeing so many real big heavies, (over 6 foot 5), but that they are, for the first time in boxing history, actually coordinated, athletic, and highly talented fighters.

    A real big heavy of yesteryear, like say, Primo Carnera, had size going for him, but his lack of skill evened it out.

    But now, with a fighter that is big, AND heavily talented and atheltic, they don't have the drawbacks the giants of yesteryear had.
     
  14. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    so very true :-( :-(
     
  15. halfamazin1

    halfamazin1 Member Full Member

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    Foreman was a damn bear...big by any standards. Nutrition and dieting has jumped light ages in the last few decades. It's just evolution, man will always be evolving in size, strength and intellect. And for who ever was riding the K bros dick...their PHd's are in like physical education. Yes PE. They took classes in weightlifting, golf, etc.... It's not like they can perform surgery. Not to mention they were athletes during the Cold War which means Moscow probably gave those ****ing things away so they would look superior to any competitors....:deal