Todays HW division is not so different than other eras

Oh well man...bottom line is that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

That's what makes judging this sport so difficult. What one fight fan looks for in a fight is different from another. That's why a lot of judges cards are completely different when watching the same fight.

Look, my point is, most people are being overly critical on the heavyweight division and I personally don't feel that it's merited.

C'mon...why should B-hop get a free pass for stinking out the joint in most of his fights?

 

It's what the division portrays....

The Hype would indeed be Hype if there is something to get Hyped about!!!

The Klit Bros stand tall they remind people of Ivan Drago....

For the Heavyweight division it's always been the look and no one these days except the Klit Bros has the look of a champion that is why they are so popular they are decent fighters but what they bring before they even start swinging is what attracts people to them.

American Heavyweights need to look at the past times!!!

Guys were in shape all the greats

Foreman, Ali, Frazier, Riddick Bowe (when he started getting out of shape he started losing) Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, hell Jack Johnson was even in shape!

 

Consider this: Sam Peter and Eddie Chambers had ann awful fight tonight...both of them are ranked in the top 10. Valuev-Holyfield-Ruiz-Chagaev are in the midst of the final four type situation for the WBA title. Faded guys like Shannon Briggs, Lamon Bewster, James Toney and Hasim Rahman are still relevant in the HW division more so than they should be.

A lot of the problem is Klitschko fans think the heat comes on the top two guys. Not so with the logical posters on this board. Wlad will always have his detractors but such is life. The heat comes within the depth and the utter lack of care the guys in the division show. The heat is on the guys 3-10...who seem to have no desire to make the most out of their opportunities. I mean look at Sam peter, the opportunity to reclaim the glory he lost with a win over a tough opponent and he flopped. Showed up ridiculously fat and gassed out in round...2.

The problem is the division is filled with guys who show a ridiculous level of empathy for the division and the history and lineage of being the HW champion. That's why it's so shitty...because it's filled with chauffe.

Hopkins gets quite a bit of hatred for his boring style. Problem is we've pretty much come to grips with it at this point.

 

Dude, during tonight's fight we officially witnessed a fighter who is pretty much done, courtesy of both klitshckos. There is no shame in that...it just happens. It is not typical of the kind of effort that is usually displayed in the heavyweight division.

There are potentially a lot of great match-ups in the division, but because of the amount of detractors in America, and yes I am American, we probably won't get to see them.

Dude, there are snoozers and exciting fights in every division.

Why should Heavyweights receive all of the blame?

 

Again, it's in the eye of the beholder...i thought the Arreola fight was great...it showed heart, toughness, and skill. I did enjoy the fight you mentioned also.

But, if you thought that Peter/Toney one was exciting, dude, you lost me!! See what I mean? i didn't really think that fight was as entertaining as most.

There are kendall Holts versus Mike Arnoutis fights in every division...it just seems that everyone makes a huge deal out of the heavies...yeah yeah I know it used to be considered the glamour division.

That's my point, it still can if fight fans just give it a chance.

 

I love the HW division.
I have been a fan for 49 years. That is why I said that this division has really not changed in all the years . It is the media. And the the sanctioning bodies. I would love for there to be one championship Belt. But that is not the case . There may never been a 4 belt holder. What happened in the "golden" era of Ali was Don King promoting it to the right Media of the time And then the new media Closed circut. The real Fans of boxing should help the sport by talking it up instead of bringing it down on the new MEDIA of today . The internet and forums like this. Saying HW's all all **** sure as hell aint going to make it more atractive to the casual and uninformed fan.

 

Exactly...it's about time someone recognizes the truth.

 

Please, there is a huge difference...Today the heavyweights for the most part are UN-SKILLED, OUT OF SHAPE, NEWBIES.

Look at it this way..Lewis and old lewis was able to take what is seen as the best or second best heavyweight of today on short notice and bust his ass up, making him look almost unhuman. Judging from that I think that its pretty safe to say that not many of todays heavyweights would have faired that well in those days of only 10 to 15 years ago.

The biggest difference between the heavyweights of today and other eras is the lack of depth. After the Klit bros the rest totally suck. Fat, out of shape, low skill level. There is a reason that guys like Jones, byrd and toney were able to move up ans steal belts at heavyweight, after sooo ****ing many fighters in the past have tried and failed. Better fighters have moved up to heavyweight and got blasted the **** out...In the right situation I think that a number of fighters from lower weights could move up and steal a belt...I can think of a number of fighters from Super middle to cruiser that I would pick to beat the likes of Valuev, Chagaev, and Peter...This era is a total joke.

 

The division is at a low. There is no real dominant fighter. Wlad and Vitali have made a habit of stinking up the joint in their fights against very limited and overmatched competition and their supporters point to the KO ratios to try and defend them as exciting or dominant, even when the actual fight/level of opposition was crap. And neither thus far has shown any willingness to change the status quo. Some of the "stronger" fighters in the division are coming into the ring more ridiculously out of shape than ever in the case of Arreola and Samuel Peter, and more limited on a skills basis than ever. And it's very telling that the most exciting news in the division is the hope(against all odds) that David Haye does actually get a fight made with Wlad, Vitali, or both, since it's generally thought that he'll actually try to unify the belts if he can pull off a win against either. However, neither Wlad nor Vitali appear all that keen on the idea.

The media saying that the division is bad is just stating the obvious, imo. Perhaps with enough negative press, maybe the fighters/promoters will feel the pressure to try and make better fights. Or maybe it just gets worse. No way to know for certain.

 

There are so many things wrong with your post...I can't even begin to address all of them.

 

Nah, its opinions and your isnt any more correct then mine...I say they suck ass, and if one was to do a poll I think that more people would say they suck then they are good.

 

You are not correct. Jones, being able to come up and get a belt is proof the HWs today is a joke? When Floyd Patterson was able to move up and win the Hw belt did that mean the early 60's stunk? Evander came up and got a belt, does that mean the early 90's stunk? Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, and Floyd Patterson would all look ineffective today because of their size. They wouldn't be able to ever touch the champions today, and I mean the Klitschkos. I think the only thing today that for sure is a joke when it comes to the HWs, are your posts. Quit talking about something you know nothing about.

 

What is more, Tyson was not really Tyson. He was a potentially great fighter who was washed up at 23 years old.

Wins against Tony Tucker, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Spinks and 37 year old Larry Holmes do not make you a great champ.

 

I was referring more to your language than anything else. I respect most opinions on this forum and if I disagree with someones' point of view, I don't have to resort to using bad language and run-off sentences to get my point across.

I'm sorry...what did you think of my opinion? It does what...sucks what?

can you hear how ignorant that sounds.

Go back to school and let the adults speak!!

 

The point here is pretty valid. most of Jack Dempsey or Joe Louis' competition was pretty bad. i would say that the 70's and the 90's were great heavyweight eras, the rest were pretty mediocre.

The difference in this era is that the good fighters do not fight each other almost at all. If Wladdy, Vitaly, Chagaev, Povetkin, and Haye would fight each other in some kind of round Robin I think we would see acceptance of a true champ that people could rally around.