Today's supplements!11

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Jazzo, Jun 29, 2010.


  1. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    OK. This one gets cited a lot as if it is the difference between some skinny guy and today's Shannon Briggs.

    What supplements are we talking about?

    P.s. I'm pretty sure that people in the 50's knew that to gain weight you had to eat more food than usual.
     
  2. McGrain

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    Yeah, people knew how to eat.

    Jack Johnson in his book stresses a training diet of man raw green vegetables and protien drawn from fish and white meat - he was of the opinion that red meat was to widely consumed in America. All this should sound familiar because people were crowing about it, up until about 2000, like it was some sort of new discovery.

    I think that where diet has really moved ahead is in weight cutting. It's possible to consume pure protein whilst consuming very few calories, and calories whilst consuming almost no fat (this was possible way back when, but less convenient).
     
  3. Boxed Ears

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    I take a lot of horny goat weed, myself. Made me bigger.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

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    Shannon Briggs = as much testosterone injections and protein he can get into his body, lifting massive weights while not doing a single miniute of road work
     
  5. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Lifting is fun!

    Maybe Briggs took test supplements but he could have bulked up without them quite easily.

    When you have a decently thick physique to begin with it is easy.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Briggs has clear tell tale signs and his body certainly isn't natural. Few men can naturally bench press 600lbs. And I'd draw a line between supplements and gear, even if roiders call them 'supplements'
     
  7. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Whatever, **** Briggs.

    Let's continue without him.
     
  8. Boxed Ears

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    If I ever find out Briggs was juicing, he's off of my ATG top 20 list for good....WORD!
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Are we talking nutrition or just supplements? Legal supplements help massively if you or your nutritionist knows what they're doing
     
  10. Jazzo

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    Yeah. Legal.

    I only believe in garabge when I have clinical trials to back **** up, otherwise I just stay wary.

    I've powerlifted and although some of the supplements are theoretically very nice I can't say I got any benefit at all.

    I just use data from the tin and stick with simple arithmetic.
     
  11. PetethePrince

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    I think PP is big on creatine. Do you believe in loading or not loading on it? Honestly did very little for me when I took it. I think it has a 1/4 no effect on some people.
     
  12. Jazzo

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    Didn't bother. The last thing I wanted was something that would make me hold water weight.
     
  13. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I did briefly just to try. I didn't really get too much of a water muscle weight. If I did it was very little. Muscle is largely water anyway. But if you're into power-lifting, not bodybuilding I don't see how you would care if it gave you benefits in strength. All you really need is a half-decent post-workout shake, preferable a Whey Iso.
     
  14. ticar

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    proteins 2g/2.2 lbs,clean carbs and fat,that's about 90 % definitely.protein shake after training.it's all in food...and juice :smoke
     
  15. PowerPuncher

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    I'm big as a supplements as a whole as its my business, creatine is a good cheap supplement with effective results though. As for supplements it depends on your objectives and the money you have to spend, although spending more doesn't necessarily get you a better product, you need to know your supplements really.

    You probably used a poor quality Creatine Mono, and/or didn't train properly and didn't get your diet right. If you don't want to hold water you need to go with a Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE). CEE is also 52 times more bioavailable for muscle absorbtion according to some studies. Creatine works by increasing ATP levels, this allows muscles to work beyond their usual failure point. Pushing your body hard in training is obviously important as if your not pushing beyond your normal failure point your not making use of the increased ATP levels

    Research shows when loading creatine, the the body excretes more creatine, it also shows creatine body saturation levels lower after loading. In effect this means the body is treating creatine like a poison and trying to excrete as much as possible to avoid internal damage

    If you want to shuttle more creatine into your muscles and get all the you use a Nitric Oxide supplement. Incidently Viagra works by increasing nitric oxide, but thats another story. If you want to burn fat the best thing is still the ECA stack (now semi-illegal and IOC Banned)plus Yohimbine

    First things first though - get your diet right. 5-7 small meals a day with plenty of protein, aim for, supplement with a Whey Isolate/Concentrate protein instead of some meals for ease and high protein low carbs.

    Thats just basics though, Ariza will have Pacquiao on plenty more things than that whether or not hes on PEDs imo, some of them may not be IOC legal even if he isn't doing any true PEDs.