Todays WW "Fab Four" vs The Original

No, DLH couldn't decision Hearns, but Hearns wouldn't try to box the whole time. If he'd choose to brawl and trade at some point, or if he managed to hurt DLH (very strong probability, despite DLH's rock chin), theres an even better chance he'd get in DLH's range, and get his less than rock chin shattered by a DLH left hook-If Barkley could do it with that telegraphed overhand right (that Tommy walked into with both hands near his ribs), DLH can definitely do it-I'd bet on DLH by stoppage if there was time travel and they fought.

 

Hearns would outbox Hoya from range easily, if the fight did become a shoot-out somehow(why would it unless Oscar tried to press, putting himself in danger?) than the much better puncher would more than likely get the better of the exchanges. Oscar couldn't stop Quartey with everything he had and got outboxed for the majority of the fight and you're picking him to stop Hearns?

You're comparing the much bigger, stronger MW Barkley to Oscar at WW? Leonard hit harder than Oscar, and it took his best stuff over 14 rounds to finally put Hearns away after getting handled for the majority of the fight. Oscar doesn't have the style to put Hearns away, he never had much finesse to his game, not enough to switch tactics successfully against that caliber of fighter.

This fight is such a mismatch stylistically, Oscar has no advantages here. I don't get you people.

 

Guess we agree then, the Duran at ww of Palomino or Leonard 1, does beat Oscar. The other Duran then Oscar certainly has a shot.

Maybe I went of on a tangent and should have kept it at prime for prime.

In any event I still don't see a convincing matchup where the curent ww's. or the best after the Fab 4, has a reasonable argument of winning.

Sweet pea is the only other one, I think has a chance (ironic considering your name) of beating an original fab 4, that being Duran.

btw I question weather Hagler sb in this group. Even though Fab 4 he was a middleweight. Maybe Benitez instead to keep the weights in balance.

 

they have to fight everyone of them. thats what made them fab. and the reason why it's so amazing is there different styles and how all of them have wins over the other

 

I just want to see Tito/Margarito. I want to see if the chin of granite can be broken. I am sure Tito would probably make easy work of him but I just want to know what would happen. Also Hearns/ODH. Somebody is going to get knocked out in this one. I favor Hearns but ODH has good reach and power. I think Cotto may give SRL a good fight but get his ass whooped in the later rounds. I think Hearns is the best H2H at welter, though he got beat by SRL.

 

Well tito v margo I don;t see happening. Hearns v ODH , not a good fight if you like ODH imho.

BTW love the Rosie avatar,

 

:think DLH holding NO advantages over Hearns isn't really fair. SUPERIOR chin, for one. Didn't get massages before fights (cough *Hagler* cough). He knew when to box and when to brawl, while Hearns didn't always make the right choice in that regard. And while Hearns holds more power, he could suffer more than DLH due to the difference in punch resistance during hypothetical exchanges. And the Barkley thing was more a comparison of events than DLH or Barkley's power, as I was simply pointing out Hearns' poor decision-making there against a clearly hurt opponent, that he could've stopped easily later on if he'd fought more conservatively with protecting his UNRELIABLE chin in mind. And DLH wouldn't need to "shift tactics" against Hearns-He'd just have to try to counter and fight defensively and hope an opening presents itself, or Hearns makes a tactical error- a gameplan I'm fairly confident he could execute. And while the match-up does favor Hearns a good bit on paper, it's just a gut feeling I have in DLHs favor. One last thing: Haven't figured out how to quote other posters' comments in threads. How is it done?:think

 

Great's point's bro..
BTW to quote someone, click the "quote" button under the post you want to quote.
Their post should then show up in your reply....:good

 

That would've been the only one. No stylistic edges I meant.

One time did that happen against one of the greatest MW's of all time, whom Oscar wouldn't have survived even that long against. If you don't have the ability to make Hearns fight that fight he isn't going to. Hagler did, Oscar doesn't.

I doubt it, considering Hearns is a much better boxer and puncher than Oscar. Oscar wouldn't be able to close the distance well enough, he wasn't a pressure fighter!

Well, either way, Barkley was a bigger, stronger, natural MW with a much harder punch than Oscar, fighting Hearns above Hearns's best weight. So the comparison doesn't really work if you're thinking Oscar is capable of this, considering it took shot after shot for Leonard to get the stoppage in the 14th.

If he tried to counter and fight defensively he'd get ambarassingly outclassed. The only hope against Hearns is to swarm him or pressure him looking to land big shots. He couldn't stop Quartey for ****'s sake because he couldn't get anything going in the middle of the ring. And you think he will against Hearns? Hearns has the superior reach, power, jab, and overall arsenal. Oscar isn't going to be countering that.

But if you're basing it on a gut feeling then this argument is obviously useless. I could base a pick of Gatti over Duran on "a gut feeling". But oh well, you have your opinions, I have mine.:thumbsup

 

Comparing a hypothetical Duran-Gatti fight to DLH-Hearns is just stupid. I was more comparing it to how people months ago saying before Taylor-Pavlik I how some said their heads favored Taylor but their guts favored Pavlik. It's somewhat similar to my thinking of DLH and Hearns. In addition, Hearns actually did try and box a bit in the 2nd round of the Hagler fight, but his legs were a bit gone by then so he couldn't do it. And your points hold a lot of weight-IF Hearns decides to box the whole fight. However, Hagler wasn't the only fight where he brawled in, but it was the one where it was forced on him. In the other ones (like Roldan, Barkley II) It was more his choice, as they didn't possess Hagler's chin and other attributes which made the fight unfold the way it did. My argument in favor of DLH therefore is based on Hearns either a) getting overconfident and trying to wade in and put a hurt DLH away quick and getting caught, or b) CHOOSING to trade-DLH doesn't have to force the issue. And both of those have a strong chance of happening, although I could also see the outcome you envision, a comfy Hearns UD or late stoppage, happening-but only if neither of the above happens-a questionable proposition at best.

 

I don't envision Hearns boxing or moving the entire time, I envision him outboxing Oscar, who would be on the move like he was against Tito, thoroughly before turning it up a notch and KO'ing him. It's a mismatch to me stylistically. Oscar is just not as versatile as you're making out, otherwise he'd have legitimately beaten the likes of natural LW Mosley, Whitaker, Quartey, Sturm, etc. Hearns never had problems with Oscar's type of style.

As for your points, both Roldan and Barkley most certainly made Hearns fight their fights. Re-watch them, Roldan was as wild and swarming as they came, Hearns had no choice but to stand in range of him(he also managed to KO the bigger, stronger, durable Roldan in 4). Against Barkley in the rematch, not only was it at LHW, but Barkley most certainly forced the fight on him, as Hearns no longer had the athleticism or legs he used to.

And once again, Oscar simply didn't fight ANYTHING like those guys, so I don't see where the comparison comes in. And you're acting as if Hearns coming in for the finish or opting to trade somehow favors Oscar. I see that favoring Hearns all the way.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree unless you feel the need to continue debating.

 

margo v herns would be the only one that could win his match up.

 

He'd have probably the least chance of any of them. A strong chin doesn't get you everywhere in life people, Jesus Christ. atsch There's A LOT more to boxing than that, especially against one of the very best offensive fighters in history.

 

Haggler Vs William at middle -> Haggler by KO
Duran Vs Clotty at welter or Middle -> Duran by KO or UD
Duran beat Robbie Simms , Davey Moore and Iran barkley all huge Jr middle and super middle contender and champs all with more pop , natural athleticism, and skill then Clotty .

Duran also out smart and beats Quartay for the same reason above .. clotty and Quartay would be considered babies next to duran's skill.

 

Hearns would murder him.

Margo wouldn't have a chance in hell, doesn't have the 1 punch KO power to have any chance of a fluke upset and Hearns would box his face off.