"Tokyo '90" B. Douglas vs. '76 Jimmy Young... Who Wins?

Oh yeah because Young is so overrated. please. Young Had plenty of will. watch his fight with Foreman, Norton, Dokes, and Bailey. Great willpower and skill shown there.

 

If only two men could have a baby together, and they did...It would probably be a darker Valuev that came out. Almost. :shock:

Please stop counting a fight involving an opponent who nearly died right after the fight for reasons not involving being punched. He had plenty of will...to survive. But that doesn't mean a true fighter's will...does it? I mean...does it really? Fighting and trying not to get hit are not the same things, Tommy...Not the same things at all, brother...

 

ummm what happened before that is totally irrelivent. Great fighters are supposed to comeback despite having issues. Ali did it. Tyson did it with small success. A fighter of Foreman's caliber still had success too. Destroying the likes of Lyle and Frazier, means he's still a serious opponent. He just wasn't good enough to beat Young. look at the bombs he took. He came back and completely outclassed Foreman.

just quit dissing young and recognize. young was a very solid technician, he was just in too tough of an era to become champ. :deal

 

****, you guys are all underrating douglas...forget jimmy young. it took an entire nation and a giant monster to even slow down the beast that is TOKYO DOUGLAS!!!

 

Who said before? I'm talking about life-threatening dehydration that Foreman-Young's only truly big win- had DURING that fight. Young's best win was over a man suffering from life-threatening dehydration. You can't get past this, I'm sorry. Solid technician? Sure...if that's all it took to be a champion, he'd have been one, I suppose...:roll:

 

Bruh, please... Are you trying to tell me Foreman was dehydrated against Young? Or before Young? correct me if I'm wrong, but Foreman was about 230 pounds that night and was in great shape... He just wasn't good enough to beat young, a man who wouldn't stand in front of him and would tag him with right hands.. Young's only big win? What about Young's wins over Dokes, Bailey, Lyle Twice, and Norton? Those are huge wins. He would've been a champ in another era. That era was just too stacked and too good for Young to be a champ in.

 

Tommy...?

 

Gotta agree with Boxed Ears, Young is becoming highly overrated around here. Nice fighter, but not the world beater everyone wants him to be. As for fighting will, watch the 15th round of Young and Norton. The fight was on the line, Young did ****.

 

young was already ahead on points by the time of the 15th round he didnt want to take too much damage

 

...Tommy...?

 

Accord.

 

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...Tommy...?

 

Well obviously he couldn't have been too far ahead, because by blowing that 15th round, he ultimately lost the fight, hence indicating that whatever lead he had wasn't very significant. He was more or less fighting to place himself in the position of being the next heavyweight champion, and he didn't pull through.. Now for the record, I happen to think that Young was a very good fighter with better than average skills, heart and stamina. But the man gets the benefit of the doubt in a few too many fantasy fights, and while I believe he'd be a tough opponent for anybody, I don't think he was as good as his record reflects.. A thread was started recently about how he'd do in today's era, and some posters picked him to beat both Klitschko's.. Others have given him the nod to take Larry Holmes.. But the reality of the matter is, he basically lost to the same version of Ali that Leon Spinks beat, albeit close and controversial... He blew it against an aging Norton.. He drew with Shavers.. He did manage to beat Ron Lyle and George Foreman, but the Foreman fight was under questionable circumstances as Gil Clancy was no longer calling the shots and Foreman was already thinking about leaving the game.. Young also lost two fights to a novice Ossie Ocasio while still being fairly close to prime.. top it off with the fact that he had all but maybe 10 KO's in some 34 wins, and you have some questions about his TRUE abilities..

As for him beating James Douglas, well I've already given him the edge to take a close decision, but I don't think that its a guarantee by any means. Douglas had a similar career track, with wins and losses to men on congruent levels, going through up and down phases with prime and past prime periods scattered all over the place.. The differences for me, is that Douglas had far few losses, more victories that were a tad more decisive, along with greater size and proven punching ability... I picked Young because of his illusive style proving to be a spoiler factor for a lot of guys, along with James' inconsistencies, but on any given night Douglas could have taken a decision as well.

 

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...Tommy...?

 

I love Jimmy Young, but I'm going to go against the grain and pick Douglas here. I have to agree with some of the other posters here, that Young had too much of a survivalist's mentality. Frankly I think he could've TKO'd Ali that night if he'd picked it up, maybe bashed Ali in the face a few times rather than slipping up under the ropes to escape...the weirdest move anyone's ever seen. Young was too cautious and couldn't punch, either.
Douglas was inconsistent too, but he was red hot that night in Tokyo, had the size and skill in my opinion to force Jimmy YOung into a cautious shell, from where he would land some snappy jabs but fail to follow up with any serious leather. Douglas would look busier to the judges and get the nod but a comfortable margin.