Tokyo Douglas Versus Rocky Marciano Of The Louis Fight

Tokyo Douglas isn't a real person. It's more of an idea and therefor cannot be beaten.

 

Well let us say if Douglas performed as well as he did against Tyson against Marciano,who would win?

 

Oh for crying out loud give it rest re Liston '' quitting on his stool ''.Liston's courage has been proven and it
has been explained countless times on this site that Liston had a crippling shoulder-injury going into the Ali
fight.This condition was exacerbated during the fight and several doctors have testified that Sonny had every
right to retire before the 7th round.
Look,no one is doubting Marciano's courage but the fact ,as you have emphasised,that an elderly,light-heavyweight like Ezzard Charles beat the hell out of Marciano is sovereign evidence that a reasonably large,world-class heavyweight like Buster Douglas would have slaughtered your hero.

 

My Grandfather knew Rocky and had supper with him once. My Grandfather had tremendous respect for Rocky, even though Grandfather towered over him. In light of how Rocky is talked about, and disrespected, on this forum, by some, I would give Rocky Marciano a big, long hug, if he was near me. He deserves better. #Respect: Rocky Marciano.

 

And two LHW bums unlike the goat LHW Charles, beat Liston and those are Marshall and Martin, two bums at best.

So at least Marciano beat LHW Goat unlike Liston who lost against two bums, quit twice in both Ali fights and cheated by using illegal substances against multiple fighters

Buster Douglas was no one before and after Tyson fight, over 12 rounds Marciano would kill him in later rounds.

 

I see you haven't lost your knack for spewing out absolute garbage.
I,and many other posters,have repeatedly discredited your nonsense about Liston '' quitting'' in the Ali fights and using illegal substances against multiple fighters.What utter nonsense.
Concerning Liston's two defeats, the first was against a seasoned fighter in only Liston's 8th professional fight.
Despite having his jaw broken early in the fight the inexperienced Sonny Liston fought through several rounds despite the excruciating pain he was suffering.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to highlight Sonny Liston's courage.
The second defeat suffered by Sonny Liston was against a respected top-ten contender by the name of Leotis Martin,who by your totally warped definition was a so-called '' bum ''..Despite losing this fight a very past-prime Sonny Liston inflicted a permenantly damaged retina on Martin.Sadly this resulted in Leotis in having to retire.Thank you for giving me the opportunity to highlight the elite skill and nuclear punching power of Sonny Liston.
Even when Sonny was long past his prime.
Thank you very much indeed. !

 

Tokyo Douglas would have a lot of advantages versus the Rocky who struggled with Louis:

Bigger, stronger, skilled and focused, and probably on that specific night Douglas would be even more motivated than Rocky.

 

Bit harsh arent we?

I think Buster can give Marciano trouble with the jab but Marciano eventually gets to his body and break some bones before a stoppage.

 

He would have trouble getting under the jab...

 

I agree Marciano is most comparable in size to modern LHWs, but Bivol isn't over 190lbs in the ring. Iirc he was reported as 184lbs on fight night vs Canelo and 181lbs a few fights earlier.

 

Can we keep this factual?
Marshall was the no7 ranked lhvy when he beat the broken jawed Liston by split decision,so Marshall was not a bum. Liston had had a total of 7 fights at that stage of his career.
Likewise Martin was the 7th ranked heavyweight when he beat an old Liston and he weighed 199lbs,14lbs more than Charles in the 1st Rocky fight. Rather different circumstances than you describe.
Liston sustained a broken jaw in one fight and a broken nose in another ,several fighters have quit with similar injuries.He did not lack courage.
There is no evidence that Liston cheated in that fight,Ali's own trainer Dundee thought it more than likely that liniment applied to Liston's injured shoulder got transferred to Ali 's gloves caused the problem.
Douglas wasn't,"no one,"he was the 7th ranked heavyweight.
In his first amateur fight ,an out of condition Marciano was getting beat up,he responded to the crisis by deliberately punching his opponent in the balls to get DSQ'd,nobody questions Marciano's courage,and they shouldn't Liston's imo.

 

He was a bum, just look at his record with so many losses than wins and every single good opponents was able to KO him while Liston could not.

So?
No great HW lost his 7th fight against bum.

Martin was 7th ranked when there was no Ali, Foreman, Norton, Lyle etc around, had it be early 60s or early 70s he would not be in top 20.

No matter how Liston did in other fights, in the biggest fights of his life he quit twice and also cheated by putting illegal substances on his gloves, when he faced real test and first great opponent he quit...twice!

He would be remember for that, for quitting and losing against LHW journeyman Martin who was 25 pounds lighter than him.

Dundee said but Ali said different and never changed his claim even in the 70s when he was asked about that in his interview, and it was not only Ali who claimed he was blinded.
Ali also said that he met a man who worked for Liston who was involved in his purposely blinding.
I know it is hard to admit but your hero quit and cheated, that is proven fact!

Liston should be DSQ in DeJohn fight too, there is no difference for anyone who used dirty tactics.

 

Against a bum and was not able to KO him, even worse fighters than Liston were able to KO Marshall.
Also he quit against Ali, that means he quit no matter how good courage he had before or after that fight, and not only he quit once but twice.

You mean quitting against Ali twice and using dirty tactics by using something on his gloves to blind his opponents on purpose?

Both not true and everything here you said is false.

Martin had eye problems before that fight and had also bleeding with bad vision in 2 fights before Liston fight.
Martin was journeyman at best who was 30 pounds naturally lighter than Liston and beat Liston while even Bonavena was able to Beat Martin.

Martin was journeyman at best, that is the title a bit better than Bum, like Marshall was.

Also I proved false that Liston injured his eye perhaps Martin had eye injury before Liston fights.

So all things you said trying to defend your hero are false, and thank you for letting me to prove are your claims are nonsense, just hype and agenda by Liston fights.

 

I've never understood how someone can obsessively hate on a fighter who probably wasn't even born when Liston was active nor is Liston even alive anymore.

Seems a strange way to pass the time to hate on someone that never even knew you existed but I guess it takes all sorts.

 

Buster beating Tyson was a great win, but as great as Tyson was he was a one-dimensional fighter, who was a weak in-fighter and wasn't that great at making mid-fight adjustments. Tyson also didn't even bother to show up in top condition, which cost him when he dropped Buster, since he was completely out of gas and couldn't capitalize.

Marciano on the other hand was a more well rounded fighter than Tyson, was an excellent in-fighter, great at making mid-fight adjustments, and was always in top condition. Buster would have to go through fire to beat Marciano and I'm just not convinced Buster even from the Tyson fight had what took to beat Marciano.

This reminds me of when Buster's manager made a complete fool out of himself after the fight by saying Buster was the greatest heavyweight of all time based off his Tyson win.

Here is a piece from 1990 going into the Douglas- Holyfield fight and Buster's manager claiming Buster is an ATG. The writer points out why you can't judge a fighter off just one good performance.

John Johnson is proof you can be punch drunk without ever setting foot in the ring.

Buster Douglas' manager lives in a make-believe world where paranoia rules and expletives turn a civil conversation the color purple.

"I've been labdled as crazy," Johnson said Tuesday." "I don't mind that. We're all crazy in a way."

But some, like Johnson, are nuttier than the rest of us.

Anyone as closely tied to the heavyweight champion as he is has a right to voice an opinion, but Johnson talks as if he had blinders on when Douglas quit against Tony Tucker in a title fight and fell to such patsies as David Bey, Jesse Ferguson and Mike White.

"James Douglas has more talent than any fighter ever," Johnson said firmly." "He's highly intelligent. He possesses great speed, great power, great hands, great eyes, great feet. He's great."

Last February, he was great when he separated Mike Tyson from his championship belts. But one of the all-time best? Douglas doesn't even buy into that thinking.

"Nobody has the tools that James has, not even (Muhammad) Ali. James throws a more variety of punches. James hits harder. He has just as much speed and great feet and is highly intelligent. James could out-hit Ali. He would knock out Ali, too."

Terrence Alli, the junior welterweight, maybe, but Muhamma Ali?
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Here is a piece in 1952 before the first Walcott fight with Johnny Pretzie, who was a former Marciano opponent appraising Marciano.

Pretzie in appraising Rocky Marciano, whom he fought when the Rock was making his meteoric rise to being one of the best in the heavyweights, had this to say:

"Marciano's wild. He misses a lot but when he hits you sorta go numb all over. He throws uppercuts, hooks, everything in the book. He is tough because he always stays in top condition. He can miss a blow at your head and hit your arm. The next thing you know your arm's gone dead."

"Layne can tell you about Marciano. He met the same fate I did. After the second round Rex said he didn't know who he was fighting."
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