Tokyo Douglas Versus Rocky Marciano Of The Louis Fight

Marty Marshall was not "a bum". Jfc.

 

He was not a bum...he was one of biggest bums in boxing history somwhere with David Jaco and Ken Lakusta.

 

"Bums" are fighters whose records are far south of .500. Marshall finished 10 wins over was 22-6 going into the Johnson fight and was a state champion at 175. Hes only got 2 top flight wins but hes a top 20-25ish HW for his era who could have been even better at 175.

Even if Marshall was an actual bum people are generally be forgiving of an ATG prospect losing to guys that would otherwise have never had a shot later on. Which Liston proved was the case in the rematch.

True "bums" are seldom discussed on this website.

 

Best of luck in trying to make this chump see some sense !

 

Hey ho.......here we go again.Marty Marshall was no bum.HistoryZero26 has ably explained this,but no
doubt you will ignore his logical view of Marty Marshall because of your obsessive hatred of Sonny liston.
Leotis Martin was far more than just a journeyman.He was a world-class contender,good enough to be invited
to the WBA heavyweight tournament in 1968.Martin was also the first winner of the NABF title,and has been listed by the Ring magazine as one of the greatest 100 punchers in history.
Perhaps you didn't know this ? I highly suspect that you didn't,given the utter nonsense you
constantly churn out.

Yet again you return to this tired old nonsense about Liston quitting in his fights against Ali.Liston's medical
condition had been confirmed by several doctors,but no doubt in your warped fantasy you will say they were
all lying.Angelo Dundee stated that the substance put into Ali's eyes was almost certainly an accident.Exactly
the same thing happened in the first Marciano vs Walcott fight.Still,I await you dismissing the view of the great
Angelo Dundee because it suits your agenda.

So there is a huge,massive element of doubt about Liston quitting against Ali.Would you like to comment
on Tyson undoubtedly quitting against Holyfield,or Roberto Duran undoubtedly quitting against Sugar Ray
Leonard ? Or perhaps you would like to comment about Marciano deliberately fouling out in that amateur
fight,quoted by McVey in his excellent rebuttal to your drivel ?

I keenly await your empirical evidence that Leotis Marin's eye was already damaged before his fight with
Liston.

 

Here are the ratings when Martin was no7.End of 1968
Champ
Ali
1.Frazier
2.Ellis
3.Bonavena
4.Chuvalo
5.Liston
6.Quarry
7.Martin
8.Ramos
9.Lewis
10.Patterson

I saw Martin beat up and stop top ten ranked Thad Spencer at the RAH, it was named the UK's Fight Of The Year.You don't know WTF you are talking about!

 

Which great Hw lost his 7th fight against a bum who was also a lot lighter than him like 30+ pounds?
That proves everything.

 

Yeah in the weakest era until Quarry and Frazier hit their best prime with Ali, then Norton, Lyle, Shavers...Martin was just in weak era.
Had it been early 60s or early 70s he would be not near top 20.

 

He was a bum, he never beat anyone good and was a punch bag for young boxers to make their record, he lost half of the time he fought.

He was not even a good journeyman at best.

Top 100 punchers?
That means nothing, even my grandma could be in top 100 punchers.

He was just a contender in weak era, when Liston was fading, Ali was prisoned and Quarry/Frazier didn't hit their 100 percent prime.
Also there were no Foreman, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, Jimmy Young etc around.

Hell even crude slugger Bonavena was able to beat Leotis Martin, the same Bonavena who was outboxed by Floyd Patterson and old Zora Folley.

Medical condition or no, he quit, case closed.
A quitter is a quitter no matter what, fighters went to fight with much bigger injuries.
If he was injured he should not fight at all or fight like a man without quit in him.
Quarry and Patterson fought with broken back, Frazier with blind in one eye with blood pressure and there was no quit in them.

Liston quit, no question about it.

Ali didn't support what Angelo said, he always claimed he was blinded on purpose, in one interview he even said that he met a man who was involved in his blinding.
And Ali wasn't the first one who claimed that, it was claimed few times.

If your hero was innocent, then why there are multiple claims about him using illegal tactics to win?

They all quit, and great fighters don't quit.

Amateurs?
You have that little much arguments so you use Marciano amateur record?
You just showed how pathetic you are.
Marciano never quit, unlike Liston which is fact.

I posted it few times where people close to Leotis Martin stated that he has the same eye problem he had later in Liston fights.

 

I think Sonny Liston made huge progress and became a great boxer. Not all of them are like that at the beginning of their journey. I would ask what great ATG lost the title to a guy with 7 fights under his belt, but we all know the answer, right?

 

Perhaps you don't realise that the Ring's top 100 punchers in history includes boxers from
every weight division.That's right,out of the thousands of men who became professional
boxers Leotis Martin was listed among the 100 greatest punchers in history.That is a fantastic
tribute to his punching power.At the risk of sounding cynical I doubt that your grandmother would
be able to get into the top 100 punchers in history.By the way, if Leotis Martin was a jouneyman
there is no way he would have been invited to the WBA tournament.
So you have dismissed Mike Tyson and Roberto Duran as ''quitters''.No doubt you will also add
Vitali Kiltschko to your own bizarre list of so-called '' quitters ''.Vitali retired against Chris Byrd
because of an injury he sustained during the fight.Of course all of these men have proved their courage
beyond any reasonable doubts.It is absolutely idiotic to question their courage,but you go right ahead and
do that.This a democracy after all and you are entitled to your own opinions.No matter how unbelievably
stupid they are.

 

Hey,...don't tell Boxing2002.He will say that Muhammad Ali is a '' bum '' !

 

Which one?
Punch drunk Ali?