Tokyo Douglas Versus Rocky Marciano Of The Louis Fight

Muhammad Ali was punch drunk and washed fighter, and I could argue that Leon Spinks was better than Martin and Marshall.

 

Which good fighter Leotis Martin beat except Liston?
He was even beaten by crude slugger Bonavena and even KOed by Jimmy freaking Ellis for god sake.

He was good puncher maybe for LHws and average at best for HWs.

Did any all time great including Louis, Ali, Frazier, Marciano, Johnson, Dempsey,Holyfield, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, Walcott, Bowe, Klitchko, Patterson...quit?

Duran was quit because he was getting embarassed and Tyson quit when he was 40, washed and so past prime that he could barely box.

It wasn't even him that quit but his cornermans who were concerned about his health.

 

yes, among those you mentioned: Johnson did not want to get up from the mat in the fight with Wilard. Holyfield stayed on the stool in the fight against Sherman Williams..
I know I'm feeding the troll but he shouldn't think I'm taking him seriously

 

Mildenburger, Thad Spencer and Blue Lewisx2.

Liston was beating Martin though before Martins shot.

Whats wrong with Jimmy Ellis?

 

Johnson was out against Willard,Sam McVey his second said he did not know where he was when he got up.

 

The boxers who made the top ten that year after champ Ali .included Frazier.Ellis,Bonavena. Chuvalo, Quarry,Ramos.Lewis,Patterson.
Explain to us how that is a weak era?LOL

 

He was the number 7 contender when Ali was the champion,and Frazier was the no 1 contender.

Give it up you troll,you are embarrassing yourself!

 

Hang on, you said Duran and Tyson were '' quitters '' and now you've suddenly changed your mind !
Talk about moving the goalposts !!!

Are you deliberately being obtuse.The fight in which Tyson '' quit '' was the second Holyfield fight when Tyson
bit Holyfield's ears to foul himself out of the fight.And yes, I still regard Tyson as a warrior and I wouldn't be so
dumb as to question his overall courage.

So according to your logic Duran was perfectly within his rights to quit in the second Leonard fight because
he was getting '' embarrased ''.Yet you criticise Sonny for retiring with a crippling injury.GIMME STRENGTH !

By the way I suggest you do research on the second Marciano vs Walcott.Walcott was accused of quitting
in the first round.And no,I wouldn't question Walcott's overall courage either.Boxers are brave men,and it
really is idiotic to accuse them of being quitters or cowards.

All this and there is no evidence of Sonny Liston ever quiiting.Just calm down and try to think about
all this.

 

Honestly astounded that Buster is winning this poll.

 

I said it and they were.

For Duran and Liston there is no excuse unlike for Tyson and Frazier against Ali whom cornerman wanted them to quit, not them.

I never said that, those are your words.
I claimed Duran is overrated and quitter, and I still think that becuase he quit.
Which crippling injury?
Quarry and Patterson fought with broken back and never quit.

Walcott never quit ever, if he did we would know that because record exist.

You are now pulling what if, but we are judging things based on what actually happened, and the true is that Liston quitted twice while Walcott never did.

 

He quit on his stool, he didn't want to fight anymore= quitting.

So you are know claiming that your hero didn't quit which is pathetic.

 

Midlenburger was no one, Al Blue Lewis was not even descent journeyman.

Jimmy Ellis started as MW in Amateurs and was a small LHW and not known as good puncher, he was able to KO Martin.

 

Nope, Holyfield was 48 and he was cut very bad his cornermans wouldn't let him fight and bte he was 48.

Johnson didn't quit, he was just knocked down and he couldn't get up which is not quitting again.

 

LHWs and CWs.
Ellis was LHw, Patterson and Quarry CWs.

When Norton, Foreman and then Ali came back, none of these guys were there anymore.
Btw Patterson was past prime and Quarry didn't hit his prime until 1969.

 

Why ? It's a Cruiserweight vs a big talented Heavyweight who outweighs Marciano by almost 50 pounds and has a staggering 16 inch reach advantage.

Marciano is historically greater for his time but that doesn't mean he would have success vs much bigger modern Heavyweights with his style or attributes which logically he wouldn't.