Tokyo Douglas Versus Rocky Marciano Of The Louis Fight

I'm sorry, but isn't that the same as suggesting that, for example, the 1943 SSR would have beaten the best Ali because Ali never beat any WW?

by the way, it's also hard for me to imagine that Rock would beat the best Douglas. The number of successes does not matter here, Vaughn Bean gave a difficult fight to Holyfield when he was literally nobody, Foreman had no one important on his CV when he outclassed Frazier, the same applies to Douglas fighting Tyson - could James compare in terms of success with Mike even though he was longer in the rings? by no means... and yet he beat him and did much better than Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Ferguson, Bruno, Thomas, Tubbs, Ruddock, etc. Orders don't fight wars.

Douglas had everything to make Marciano a punching bag - height, reach, footwork, timing, skill, style. On paper, it would simply be an easy fight. I don't know what would happen because it's boxing, but theoretically, knowing about them - a really easy fight for Duglas, no sentiments please

However, if we suggest the Holy-Douglas fight, we can also suggest the White-Douglas or Savarese-Douglas fight. But it wasn't Tokyo Douglas - a momentary flash is enough to blind you, and that's what happened in Tokyo. This Douglas from Hoy would probably not have lasted with any Tyson from the Tillis fight to the Botha fight or with the best Roc

 

Relentless pace always bothered Douglas. Tyson’s pace in that fight was poor, far below his usual, and he moved in slowly, threw one punch, with bigger breaks in between than his usual.

Conversely, Marciano was relentlessly active and kept a fast pace. Over time I think he catches and breaks Douglas.

 

I’ll go even further. I think the older, slower version of Joe Louis of the second Walcott fight knocks out Douglas too.

 

Noooo.......and you know damn well about Liston's shoulder-injury.Hey, you're
the guy who thinks it's ok for a fighter to quit if he's getting embarrassed.

 

What sort of games are you playing here ? You clearly excused Duran for quitting because he was
getting embarrassed by Sugar Ray Leonard.Don't try to backtrack on this.
As for the second Marciano vs Walcott fight a bit of research will show there were doubts that he
was genuinely put down for the ' 10 ' count.
So now you are blatantly ignoring what I told you about Tyson fouling out against Holyfield !
If anybody is indulging in 'what-ifs ' it's you about Sonny Liston.

 

Nah I've done this debate now, should have joined in yesterday lol

 

Louis overcame massive weight deficits vs Carnera and Baer.

Usyk just beat Fury despite a 5 inch height difference

 

Read what @lufcrazy said above.

 

When will we see In The Ring With...Rocky Marciano?

 

I cannot envision any version of James Buster Douglas beating Rocky Marciano. And I do not understand the thinking that size trumps all. It simply is not true!

As for "The Tokyo Douglas" mystique, the Mike Tyson that allowed Buster Douglas to look that good was NOT a good version of Mike, for multiple reasons, physical, mental, and emotional; and still, Mike almost left there with a win. In general James Buster Douglas is not at Mike Tyson's level, and he is also not at Rocky Marciano's level.

I am picking Rocky Marciano over Buster Douglas by Knockout or Technical Knockout.

 

Not true, I never make any excuses I only said that Duran quit because he was getting embarrassed but I still call him quitter like your hero was too.
No excuses for anyone that quit.

Doubts or not Marciano knocked him down and Walcott clearly could not get up, long count or not, Marciano knocked him down and out like he did Moore.
We count only proven things and not based on woulda or shoulda.

No one is ignoring that Tyson quit even tho Tyson had long layoff there is no excuse for him, but other than Tyson and Liston, none of great HWs quit on his stool not even great contenders.

 

Injury or not he quit, there is no excuses because fighters fought with bigger injuries including Patterson and Quarry with broken back or Marciano fought with nose half open and they won.

No one excused anyone for getting embarrassed I only said that is the reason Duran quit, whom I always considered overrated and quitter.

 

Just stop, please. This isn't even competitive.

Any version of Douglas between Tucker and Holy destroys any version of Marciano that ever entered the ring.

 

I suspect I'm going to regret this, but... what's wrong with acknowledging that hings like weight classes exist? Marciano is closer in size to Marvin Hagler than Buster Douglas.

Marciano is the size of modern light heavyweights. Height, weight (actually, they walk into the ring heavier than he did), etc. Let's remove Marciano from this discussion -- how do you think Bivol does against Douglas? How does Beterbiev do against Mike Tyson? Benavidez vs. Muhammad Ali?

Just because the heavyweight division back then was smaller doesn't mean that Marciano is immune to massive height/weight differences. He's not. Nobody is. As great as Usyk looked against Fury -- what if Fury could crack? Those uppercut that seemed to hurt Usyk in their first fight, what if they'd been thrown by Lennox Lewis?

None of this takes away from how damn awesome Marciano was. He'd might well beat every single living light heavyweight. But to just assume you can throw him in against some giant WHO CAN HIT, come on now. Gonna throw him in with Zhang?

Not to mention that under modern rules, Marciano might actually fight at super middle and fight Canelo. Would probably the first to crack that chin.

Ain't disrespecting Marciano. He deserves ALL respect. But this is getting silly.

 

This is like throwing Hagler in against cruiserweight Holyfield. Don't get me wrong -- I think Hagler would do a hell of a lot better than expected given the size difference -- but there can only be one conclusion to that.