Tokyo Douglas Versus Rocky Marciano Of The Louis Fight

Where's the evidence for this version being better than the prior version who lost to Ferguson?

 

In the results.

 

You wish. You are so biased it is honestly embarrassing.

The Marciano from the Jersey Joe Walcott fight beats James Douglas, the Marciano from the Ezzard Charles fights demolishes Douglas.

Marciano improved throughout his entire career, he started late and learned quickly in the ring. Marciano performed vastly better in every rematch he had. Ezzard Charles went from fighting evenly with Marciano for 15 rounds and never going down in the first match, to being knocked down in the 2nd round and being pretty much entirely on the defensive until he got kayoed in the 8th round of their rematch. Marciano parried, dodged, blocked and just straight up ate everything what Ezzard Charles threw at him.

Nothing Douglas throws at Marciano will work. He is not George Foreman. Douglas at 230 pounds is to slow to land anything cleanly on Marciano, Douglas can't keep Marciano out either, too big and slow to dance around, and would quickly fatigue from continuous inside fighting and the sheer volume of punches thrown at him. Marciano even has a better chin than Douglas despite the size difference, Douglas would not survive the bombardment Jersey Joe Walcott gave Marciano in their first match.

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging weight classes, however, throughout boxing history we have seen time and time again, especially at heavyweight, that weight, height, and reach advantages do not alone decide the outcome, they are merely a part of the equation. No one, at least I hope, believes that Nikolai Valuev with his 7 feet and 330 pounds is the greatest boxer head-to-head. Heavyweight is the only weight class without an upper limit.

James Toney, former Middleweight champion, is around the "same" size as Marciano and Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Here is a clip of Toney at 217 pounds destroying Evander Holyfield at heavyweight:

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Marciano could easily gain weight, he ballooned to almost 250 pounds in his retirement. He was 190 something pounds when he was in the military. Marciano making 200+ pounds to help even out the difference shouldn't even be a point of contention. But for some reason Marciano is not allowed to. Probably because their argument just falls apart then.

 

if one of the guys has a huge advantage in height, reach and weight, you can beat him if you eliminate his advantages.
You can be much faster, more agile, have better skills than Roy Jones when he fought John Ruiz.
In the case of Douglas-Marciano, there is no such thing. There's nothing Rock can use to negate Buster's advantage.
Skill?? sorry but no...
speed, dynamics? absolutely not
Timing? NO..
mobility, agility?? neither...
physical strength? in any case, there is a difference of 50 pounds.
There is not a single thing in which Rock has an advantage that could offset Douglas's advantage. Any speculations about how great he looked against the 41-year-old Moore and how determined he showed are irrelevant in the fight with Douglas. Douglas is bigger and better than John Ruiz fighting RJJ, RJJ is much faster and more agile than Marciano.
The topic of the post is just sentiment and naivety

 

No,no,no.In your original post you were clearly excusing Duran on the basis that he was 'embarrased '.
Please don't try to wriggle out of this.
You were excusing Tyson on the basis that his trainer threw in the towel on his behalf.You very
conveniently '' remembered '' that Tyson fouled out in his first fight with Holyfield and you are now absurdly
questioning the courage of Tyson,and indeed that of Duran.
You are constantly twisting your arguments in your bizarre,obsessive campaign to discredit the great Liston.

 

Sounds like the makings of a good new separate thread.

Which “quit” was worse?: Duran vs Leonard 2, Liston vs. Ali 1 (do you really believe the shoulder claim), Tyson vs. Holyfield 2, Golota vs. Bowe 1 or 2, etc.

 

Yes,I do believe that Liston suffered a severe shoulder-injury.So many doctors have backed Sonny
on the validity of the injury.
However,your point about another thread is noted.My old nemesis BoxingFan2002 and myself have taken
up a lot of space on this thread.It is,after all, about Douglas vs Marciano.Not about the controversy
surrounding Sonny Liston.
Perhaps BoxingFan2002 and myself should withdraw from this debate and resume battle some time in
the future.

 

So, Marciano beat an ancient journeyman and lightheavyweight on his last legs. Kudos?

Well, what Douglas threw worked on a fighter 30 pounds heavier, leagues faster and more technical and talented than Marciano, so I will disagree. Marciano has a better chin than Douglas? What lightheavies dumped Douglas?

So, your proof that Marciano would do well against a prime Douglas is a fighter infinitely more skilled, faster and who probably hit harder, at 30 pounds heavier, defeating a past-it blown up cruiser?

That would be what the professors call an imperfect analogy.

I look forward to seeing you hit a dozen posts.

 

Both "Tokyo" would knock out Marciano.

 

Lie, quote me if I said he has more reason to quit than Liston, only said it was his reason not that it is worth of quitting and I still claim Duran is a quitter.

It was Tyson washed old man and Tyson wanted to continue but his cornerman did not want him, unlike Liston who did not want to fight at all.

Liston great, in what?
Whom did he beat, how many HOF, did he beat any good bigger man than him or his size, did he fought in good boxing era?
When he came on scene, boxing was on its weakest points.

 

I have discredited your fibs ad nauseum.Look,this thread is concerned with the outcome of
Rocky Marciano vs Buster Douglas, not about your warped campaign to thrash the legacy of
the great Sonny Liston.
Let us behave like gentlemen, and withdraw this argument from the thread as it does not apply to
the matter being discussed.No doubt we will clash again sometime in the future on this very issue.

 

We agree to disagree which is okay.