Tokyo Douglas vs. Post Zaire Foreman

Thanks lots.

You can use it too m8. :thumbsup

 

I agree. Douglas,as good as he was on that night in Tokyo,was a one trick pony. Even a hesitant Foreman would have been a lot tougher proposition than that version of Tyson.

 

Foreman was way, way more past-prime after Zaire then 100% PEAK Tyson in Tokyo who was PRIME. BUT still Foreman KO Douglas.

 

Tyson let Douglas off teh hook when he floored him for like 13 seconds in round 8 - then teh bell rang when he got up. i love teh referee. he should of been HOF inducted for teh Long-count! :rofl:rofl

As ex-tyson trainer And ESPN Tyson-xPERT Teddy Atlas says - "After Douglas got-up, Tyson saw he wasnt intimadated And went into a shell!" :deal

Foreman would of DESTROYED him in round 9 in teh same situation IMO. :thumbsup

Foreman doesnt give a **** if teh opponent dont back-down And is not Intimadated - And Foreman have better stamina to get a KO in round 9, , Tyson didnt have a bloody choice cos he were GASSED. :rofl


Foreman Hoooooook! :hat

 

You didn't answer my question. And with regards to Holmes being "shot" (which is simply the wrong term to use with regards to him in 88 anyway, considering what he did in the 90's), did Lewis fight a prime Tyson or Holyfield either? If you're going to use that performance against Mike, one has to be fair and give him credit for the Holmes beatdown.

My basic point being that Tyson is far from the only ATG HW to never beat a prime ATG heavyweight.

 

1_ holyfield and lewis are both older than tyson.
2_after of the jail tyson destroyed all his rivals(he destroyed bruno worse than he did before of the jail) but a past prime holyfield humiliated him twice. simply styles make fights and evander would beat tyson any day of the week.
3_like i said ,holmes 88 was an absolute garbage, completely a shot. he was retired during 2 years, he was much better in 1992. because this time he was prepared to fight, he was old but trained
4_i am talking on tyson, of course marciano has more credit than tyson because he was undefeated, he did beat old men, little cruisers,bums and old joe louis.but still he was undefeated, he faced every rival of his era and he won, he could not do more . larry holmes never did beat a prime legend.he did beat a pathetic version of ali, he fought wars against average boxers like berbick,weaver,spoon, past prime norton,past prime shavers,cooney... but still these guys were the best boxers in his era and he did beat a prime berbick, a prime smith.. tyson did beat berbick in his 30s, and holmes did much more defenses of his belt, and of course he wouldn´t lose against a bum like buster douglas . joe frazier did beat a 29 years old ali,he fought wars against ali, he did beat jerry quarry,george chuvalo.
joe louis did clean his division, he did lose against max but he destroyed him in the rematch.
mike tyson faced 2 greats hw(not prime) and mike lost against both . the holyfield who faced old foreman was 29 years old, the tyson who faced holyfield was 30 years old. lmao the holyfield who faced old foreman would have killed tyson .

 

Tyson didnt let Douglas off the hook, Douglas had a long count and then the round ended straight after which was enough time for him to recover.

 

Lyle and Young were limited. They were very good contenders, but they were never championship material. Douglas had much more skill than them. The only thing that stopped him from becoming a good champion is his own lack of heart and desire. In Tokyo, he put it all together for one night. On this one night, he was a great fighter who would have beaten quite a few of the past champions, let alone contenders.
No, Douglas did not show the heart and toughness Lyle and Young showed, but he did show more ability and versatility than them on that one night. That was the only time I ever saw what a motivated Buster could do.

 

You do know that Douglas was clear-headed when he went down, right? You saw him slam his glove on the canvas because he let himself get caught because he was being more aggressive, right. He made his adjustment and went back to work. He was listening to the account and got up accordingly.

 

Clear-headed? Douglas was hurt, groggy & seemed to be contemplating quiting as he did against Holyfield from the same position & with the same look on his face. The commentary clearly noted that Douglas still looked hurt when he got up.

Tyson, pumping with adreneline, was closing in to finish Douglas when the bell rang.
In the corner Douglas recovered & Tyson's fatigue linked to poor conditioning (hardcore partying, crash dieting & dehydration) caught up with him.

Assume a fair count & Douglas gets up at least 4 seconds earlier (a proper 9 second count rather than 13), Buster still was wobbly & Tyson had enough time with the longcount in play to just reach him. That would leave a minimum of 4 seconds for Tyson to upload some vicious bombs onto a buzzed & shaky chinned Buster.

 

I've been knocked down before and I never thought of smacking the canvas with my glove, because I was out of it. Douglas had knew what he was doing and could have gotten up. Stop making excuses. Mike was lucky to land that punch on that night, and he still lost.

 

Post Zaire Foreman was a mentally weak shell of a fighter, and Tokyo Douglas was a man on a mission who boxed amazingly well, so I would give this to Douglas.

However, pretty much any other night, Douglas is the big underdog. Douglas in Tokyo is the classic case of someone fighting beyond their normal abilities.