Tokyo Douglas vs the Holyfield that beat Douglas

Tokyo Douglas, while maybe a flash in the pan might be the most underrated H2H HW. It's just so hard to asses someone on one performance even if it is brilliant. Tokyo Douglas would've beaten any version of Tyson, but I think Holyfield is a style matchup that doesn't benefit him as much. I'd like to say a close Holyfield decision, but Douglas probably could win.

 

Can I first say that we need to be clear that "Tokyo Douglas" and the mere "james buster" are two diferent people. "james Buster" was a guy who could be "Tokyo Douglas" but was prevented from becoming him for a variaty of resons. Perhaps he felt he hadnt had the time to prepare, perhaps he was disalusioned with the direction of his career, distracted or just too lazy and frustrated into motivating himself into becoming "Tokyo Douglas" before Tokyo or after.

The form actual tokyo douglas showed takes some beating. Had every punch in the book, clever accurate combinations, timing, heart, size, speed, punch, pace, chin (he even got off the floor to win) what a fighter! perhaps a total over acheivment since tyson forced the best out of him. holyfeild liked to slug it out though as he did later with bowe so who knows?

holyfeild was sharp and fired up when he did beat douglas. He beat james-buster to the punch and continued to time him as he tired and became discouraged. Thats how he beat "james buster". As Tyson once said "when i am in condition i want to box, when im not i just think im going to get killed" this was the thought in james-buster's head during his training camp as he prepared for evander no doubt. He was nothing like the guy who stood up to Tyson in Tokyo. He was more like the guy he was for a lot of his career in fact.

would holyfeild time and beat a fired up "tokyo douglas" to the punch? im not so sure. Im not certain bowe could do anything beter than "tokyo douglas" did and bowe did beat holyfeild with all the same tools. bowe hurt evander with upercuts and jabs streight out of Tokyo Douglas's arsenal.

 

I really don't get the 'Tokyo Douglas would beat any Tyson'. He was badly floored. How would a more motivated, better conditioned Tyson with a better corner (with a cold press) do with Douglas? Far, far better I imagine, being that he was a real force.

Douglas was in great shape, showed fast hands, a ramrod jab and put his punches together well that fight, whilst the emotional background made him seemingly unfazeable.

But a H2H monster? Not IMO.

I reckon Evander would beat Douglas on points, on the basis that Douglas had the size and, on that day, a fantastic jab, exactly as Bowe did. I don't think Douglas was as adept an in-fighter as Bowe, and I think Hily could hurt him, he was a fast and accurate counter puncher, as he showed in his actual fight with Douglas.

Now HE would beat any version of Tyson.

 

I agree holyfeild had the engine, balls and ability to beat the best mike Tyson. Perhaps if douglas could have duplicated "tokyo douglas" form agaisnt the Tyson who fought spinks mike would have a chance. Just a chance. Tokyo Douglas feinted and timed Tyson out of geting off. Douglas basicly did a max schmeling on Tyson, he had his number like schmeling v louis. With hindsight This still gives Tokyo Douglas the edge. first time around.

but this thread is about Holyfeild v tokyo douglas. I just think Holyfeild was destined to lose to the kind of efort Bowe put on him first time around and Tokyo Douglas could do the same. with bells on. maybe bowe was good inside. so was douglas. but Tokyo Douglas feinted beter, doubled the jab beter and also switched to land left cross on the blind side after an upercut. If he did not allow tyson into the fight hed do the same to evander. IMO

 

The fight was a virtual pick-em, pre weigh in. The smart money gave the slight edge to Holyfield, so I figured Douglas would win...

 

The weigh in tells a story. I lost money since I foolishy bet on TOKYO form without listening out on the weigh in!

 

Holyfield by decision. Douglas looked like he could've gotten up in the original fight but I don't see Holyfield stopping a Tokyo Douglas. Man was posessed when he fought Tyson in '90.

 

Nobody's stopping anybody in this one.

 

Holyfield by decision. Buster had good tools but Holyfield had him figured out before they entered the ring. No way does Douglas have his way from start to finish like he did against Tyson that night.

 

Tokyo Douglas by UD

 

It wasn't just Tokyo Douglas that was brilliant, though. He was on the nicest run of his career just prior to fighting Tyson which included clear wins over McCall and Berbick. Against Tyson he took it to the next level obviously but you can assess him fairly well on the fights leading up to Tokyo, as well.

I like Holyfield here, but it might be close. Douglas had a perfect style to take on Tyson at that stage, he doesn't have as much of a stylistic advantage here. Holyfield's nasty counterpunching is the difference.

 

"Japan" Douglas has a legit 50/50 chance at "Vegas" Holy of 1990.....:deal

MR.BILL:hat

 

A close fight I will go with Tokyo Douglas more because I am a fan. I see Douglas being able to do to Holyfield what Bowe did, I see the Douglas jab causing huge problems like it did for Tyson on that night he had one of the best jabs I have ever seen if Holyfield can deel with it which I don't think he can then he wins.

 

I don't understand how you think Tyson would win. Yes, Douglas slipped up and got dropped was completely fine. He wasn't dropped bad, he was just keeping his composure. Douglas didn't just beat Tyson, he beat him up, and won virtually every round. It was a near sweep except for that knockdown round. Total domination...