Tokyo Douglas vs the Holyfield that beat Douglas

I'm surprised there aren't any Douglas-Bowe comparisons.

 

very good point. i rate them prety close together. I have Douglas 2 places higher than bowe on my ATG heavyweight list based on resume. Basicly douglas knocked out an undefeated undisputed champion and Bowe edged one. Tyson was so much higher regarded. Nobody at the time was entirely sold on Holyfeild the heavyweight. In hindsight its great beating foreman and holmes since old foreman and old holmes are highly regarded now. People forget that At the time astute fans thought it laughable that these old timers both stretched this cruiserweight imposter.

 

I think Holyfield would take him apart, stop him in 9 or 10 rounds.

 

Yes, but Berbick was beating up Tyson in sparring as well so it does make one wonder if Tyson could have given a better performance in that fight...with Rooney or without. He did ask for a rematch.

He wasn't doing what he needed to do to have a chance to beat someone like Douglas. Nothing like he did when he beat Biggs.

So, how much could Doulgas have actually dealt with more pressure, proper pressure? I still don't know.

Holyfield was an offensive machine with a big heart/will who would test any Man's "will" to win.

I think Douglas was having such an easy time in there with Tyson that his confidence stayed up even with him being floored. Tyson at that point looked exhausted already.


McCall thinks Douglas, that Douglas, would have beaten Holyfield. However, I'm not so sure he beats Holyfield or even a better prepared Tyson.

 

Holyfield > Douglas.

What happened to Douglas when he showed up out of shape, both mentally and physically to fight Holyfield? He got destroyed.
Same reason he had his ups and downs throughout his career. He had problems with preparing for a fight mentally/emotionally and it affected him physically. Yeah, sure, when he showed up for a fight because he was ready to fight, both mentally and physically, he seemed good but he also got fighters at the right time, like Tyson, so it still leaves some room to question. Incredible athletically though. And that Jab was top notch.

Bowe is also greater than Douglas. And he too wasn't all there for all his fights.

Incredible how some of these guys become so lazy and ill-prepared for some fights.

 

Douglas was mentally not that tough. He had folded in past fights when it got tough. Douglas was able to fight like he did against Tyson because he had everything his way. With exception to the flash knockdown at the end of round 8, he faced little adversity in that fight. This is a huge factor in boxing, and why a fighter like Wladmir Klitschko can look great and dominate when he fights on his terms, but look like a reckless amatuer when hes taken out of his comfort zone. People dont seem to get that here, the mental part of boxing and its significance.
The Holyfield that faced Douglas was in shape and prepared to fight for the title mentally and physically, so he was going to bring a lot more resistance to Douglas. Douglas was not capable of handling a rough fight, it was never in his makeup. Maybe a well conditioned well determined Douglas makes it the distance with Holyfield, but he aint beating him ever.

 

as bowe almost did in their final fight only evander had some kind of asthma attack or something and just stopped fighting. Of all the luck! Bowe survives a knock down, hanging on the ropes - dead on his feet -and evander stops fighting. sure bowe came back and won, but he was let off the hook big time.

:good it amazes me. Its like 230 plus is a bermuda triangle mystery as far as comitment and dedication goes...

 

Holyfield's right cross would always have Douglas' number, no matter how fat or fit he turns up.

 

and yet tokyo douglas had a beter jab than bowe and employed all the other tools bowe used to beat evander?

evanders fine right cross that exposed fat james buster's sloppy lead upercut only landed because james was punching through water, not with the fire and snap of japan. anyone can time an unconditioned fatty who does not want to be there...

 

No he didnt.

 

When Bowe turned up fat and unmotivated, he still fought a well prepared Evander to a competitive decision loss. Evander timed everybody with his right hand, it will land and I don't think Douglas is willing to walk through punishment all night like Bowe was.

 

that is corect, I will give him that. It is a while since I revewed that fight but I think the 20 min fan man delay favoured Bowe. Bowe was blowing like an old horse until the interuption and fading fast. either way Bowe was in beter shape than vegas douglas. It could be argued Bowe was less disalusioned with the sport than buster and had more reson to keep going.

The thread is about tokyo douglas. yes it Is one fight. in that one fight he was beter than bowe in his one great fight IMO.

 

Bowe had a great jab too. he did not miss with it against holyfeild, and neither would tokyo douglas. I prefer tokyo douglas's jab, he doubled it up and he feinted with it like a double feint whilst he altered his footing angle. Its personal choice both had good jabs.

 

Yes he did. But he didn't have the infighting ability of Bowe which is crucial.