Tokyo Douglas vs Tyson of the Berbick fight

You're the one who just claimed that "Tyson was waiting to get off" vs. Douglas, despite being presented with unequivocal video evidence entirely to the contrary.

 

One criticism I don't get on Tyson is his head movement was rhythmic. His head-movement was far more arbitrary and unpredictable, and he could do this because of the insane upper-body movement he had and his reflexes were good. Tyson's defense was to me the best among the swarmer-slugger types.

As for the current debate on the Berbick fight. Thought it was a solid Tyson performance. He was 20 years old and it was first time on the World Title fighting stage. I thought he did a lot of things right but was a bit overzealous. I've always thought that Tyson's best performance was probably against Holmes. I think historically, his best performance was against Spinks but in a purist sense I prefer the Holmes fight. I don't see much separating the Berbick and Spinks performances. I think I like the Berbick one more because he seemed more controlled in his aggression. I really love that right hook to the body uppercut combination that Tyson lands to finish the fight.

 

He was clearly moving his head in the opening of the Buster Douglas fight too though.

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The footwork of Douglas does make a big difference between the Berbick and Douglas fights. I imagine the Tyson of the Douglas fight could have blown out Berbick still. He fought with his face first.

 

You think he was best in his Holmes performance? Based on your comments on Tyson If I had to guess personally I would thought that you would have picked Biggs.

But the brilliance of the Spinks fight was his ability to throw, use superior footwork to position himself and land combinations with incredible fluidity.

In boxing its all about subtleties. Sometimes I wish he fought Holyfield or Lewis instead of Spinks that night because win or lose we would have seen Tyson at his best.

 

Agreed, but I think it's important to note that against certain real great opposition this might not work. Against a bigger threat I don't think Tyson would fight the exact same way, though. Depends how crazy he was at the time I guess.

 

It's hard to split sometimes. I think Biggs was one of his finest performances, but that's a Tyson fight I actually haven't seen for awhile now so memory isn't as fresh on that specific fight.

I didn't think his combination against Spinks was overly impressive or more spectacular than before. In fact, I thought he seemed to wing real hard into one punch instead of trying to effortless throw punches together. I thought he was ultra aggressive to a point where he seemed more ferocious than visually aesthetic. It was like he was going at 150%. You can say there were subtitles, but I say it was overdrive. He had absolutely zero respect for Spinks power. Tyson doesn't generally respect his opponents but this was on another level. He wanted that 1st round KO. Magnificent brutality, but hardly the most beautiful aggression.

 

Tyson was at his best against Biggs, Tubbs, Holmes, and Spinks.

I like Tyson's performance against Holmes the most.

 

Some of you guys are looking at this in semantics. It's not about moving your head or not moving it's about doing the right things in the ring. If Tyson felt he should have moved his head more against Berbick, he would have. He didn't have to though. He did exactly what he should have done with the style that was in front of him.

Tyson even late in his career moved his head, but did he do it effectively? That's the difference. Sure he went through the motions, but did he ever look as sharp as he did in the 1980's?

 

Thumbs up - 5 stars. :thumbsup

BUT - I disagree Tyson was 10% declined, IMO he was 100% at his peak And only looked a wee bit declined AFTER being raped for 10 rounds by Buster.

 

:good Agreed Ironchamp!



Tyson-Holyfield as it was meant to be----- 1991


Regardless of the result, would have been much more interesting for both fighters AND Us viewers....

 

Holyfield had Tysons' number. :hat

Remember when 34 year old 25-1 underdog Holyfield destroyed Prime Tyson in 1996?

For 1991 i preidct Holyfield KO8 a gassed Tyson.

 

Another Quality thread Lefthook! :good

You got everybody working overtime again