Tom Loeffler: Golovkin-Jacobs Sold 153K+ PPVs

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  1. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    So the promoters are happy?
     
  2. layco1996

    layco1996 Member Full Member

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    What does that tell you about Canelo? He took risks, and will continue taking them.
    Guess what, Canelo/Smith sold more PPV and gate than GGG/Jacobs.
    Canelo was fighting an unknown fighter and it's safe to say Canelo was the one that sold almost all the PPV.
    GGG/Jacobs was considered GGG's biggest highest profile fight and it bombed.
    How do you even compare both fights?
     
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  3. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    PPV's aren't sold by a single fighter. They need NAMES. Jacobs isn't household, Golovkin is barely household.

    Canelo has done 2.2m with Floyd, 800k with Cotto, and 250k with Smith.

    Face it, Golovkin isn't selling PPV's by himself. Canelo can sell with a half decent name.
     
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  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Pacman doing 500K would have been considered a massive FLOP!
     
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  5. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you even get what the comparison was? You say this fight bombed, then what do you call barely 300K buys for the biggest draw in boxing?
     
  6. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just tried to explain this to Lycos as well. Doubtful it sinks in.
     
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  7. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I guarantee you the base offer will be MUCH lower. If Golovkin is getting $15 million and Canelo is projected to make much more, that means they're anticipating 1m+ PPV's. That's an extremely optimistic expectation.

    This fight does 600-800k IMO, might even crack a mil. Golovkin isn't making $15m+PPV on a fight that does 600-800k.

    Let's say it does 800k, optimistically, at $65HD (assuming it's all HD)

    That's $52m.

    Half goes to the networks.

    That's $26m.

    Golovkin gets his $15m.

    That's $16m.

    What's Canelo's guarantee? What's the split? They'd be splitting $500,000.00.

    Be realistic, a $15m purse + upside is UNLIKELY. And with recent trends, networks not ponying up cash, numbers low, do you really think they're going to give Golovkin $15m?
     
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  8. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Had some typos in my post, oops. Fixed.
     
  9. There Will Be Blood

    There Will Be Blood #TheMedicalTeam #750 banned Full Member

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    You're really bothered. Take a deep breath.

    1) Why do you think Floyd mounted the D of Mexican holidays and never let up on that?

    2) Canelo has a massive fan base. The number of them willing to shell out for his PPVs have been dropping. But since he has a massive fan base, he can still do 250K. Simple economics.

    3) That's right, which is why Canelo needs the Mexican holiday.

    4) Lemieux's kind of known, but not known for having a rabid fan base, Canadian or otherwise. And now he fought an American with no fan base and is famous for having had cancer.
     
  10. layco1996

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    See, that's the reason you're biased. You're not looking at the big picture, but if need to let me explain the events around that time.
    • The FMJ/Pacquiao syndrome (the entire boxing sport has taken a hit on PPV)
    • During the Canelo/Smith fight people where dissing Canelo for dropping the belt
    Even after a lot of people stopped watching Canelo, he outsold GGG/Jacobs and Ward/Krusher both huge fights.
     
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  11. FrankinDallas

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    HBO should not have made this a PPV. The only way PPV's get big viewership totals is when
    the matchup attracts casuals. GGG is completely unknown outside of boxing fans and has no
    built in demographic fan base. I think HBO's management puts on these low end PPV's so they
    have something to point to when they cut boxing out entirely.

    Canyellow has a big fan base of Mexicans PLUS people who want to see him KO'd. Same goes
    for Floyd. IMO only those two guys can provide the numbers for a successful PPV. Everyone else,
    and that includes Andre "Big Head" Ward, should be fighting on cable shows but not PPV's.

    The last PPV that I paid for was Floyd-Pac because I had a bunch of guys over for a poker game.
    I bet I could do the same for Floyd-MacGregor because, let's be real here, it's going to be a circus
    event. Otherwise I ain't paying for ANYONE else.

    Stream me up, Scotty.
     
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  12. Kush

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    Good effort
     
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  13. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Here's another perspective for you.

    $15m WITHOUT PPV cut of a 1 MILLION PPV is 23% BEFORE network takes a cut. After networks get their cut that $15m is about 46%.

    46% BEFORE a PPV cut is added. Do you truly think Golovkin is getting that?
     
  14. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For f*ck's sake... THIS is why I'm biased? I swear, some of you don't even apply the word properly!!

    You think your reasons for Canelo versus Smith not selling well...was because of those two items, but had NOTHING to do with the fact that Smith is a complete unknown?

    :facepalm:
     
  15. There Will Be Blood

    There Will Be Blood #TheMedicalTeam #750 banned Full Member

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    Don't lose sleep, bro!