Tom Molineaux article thread

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

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    London Courier - Monday 24 December 1810
    The following account of the battle between Molineux the black and Crib, on Tuesday last, is written by an amateur:−
    Molineux is a man of robust stature, weighing 14 stone 8Ib, and therefore deemed competent in point of strength to face any man in the united kingdom. From the specimen he gave of his powers and bottom in the combat with Tom Blake, some time ago, he was deemed the best match for Crib of the present day (it having been understood that Jack Gully had declined all contests as a prize fighter). It was accordingly agreed they should fight for 200 guineas aside.

    A more unfavourable day for the sport could not possibly have been selected, as it rained in torrents the whole day, and notwithstanding the great distance from town at which the battle took place, the spectatos were numerous: and those who were not provided with covered carriages, were literally drenched. The last three miles of the road were almost knee-deep with clay; so that it can excite no surprise to learn that many horses were knocked up, and the riders, as well as a number of pedestrians, never reached the scene of action. At twelve o'clock Mr. Jackson, who did, and does, on all occasions of the kind, officiate as Master of Ceremonies, had the outer circle formed of the various cehicles, which had served to transport from the metropolis several thousand amateurs, who had arrived on the ground in spite of difficulties and bad weather.

    The ring in the centre of the large one was strongly constructed of stakes and ropes; and, according to the terms of the fight, measured twenty-four feet every way. The spot was situated nearly at the foot of a hill, which protected the combatant from the chilling wind and rain from the eastward.

    Now the champions appear, "armed cap-a-pee, and eager for the fray:" no more snivelling; every spectator felt himself a hero; and the lads of the fancy seemed by their counteuauces to say, "What a glorious thing's a battle?"

    Molineux, the Moor, was the first so enter the ring: he made a graceful congee to the amateurs, hurled up his cap, in defiance of his adversary, then retired to strip for the battle. Crib followed so bright an example, except the gracefulness of the bow, and in that Molineux had the art of his side.

    Gully, the second of Crib, and Richman, that of Molineux, entered the ring with their champions.

    The awful moment is arrived for setting to, and the heroes threw off their upper Benjamins as the signal. They shake hands, retire two steps, put themselves in attitude, then eye each other with the most penetrating looks, at the same time each attentive to his guard.

    A solemn pause for the moment ensued, and then commenced the

    First Round.−Molineux commenced hostilities, by placing a right hand blow on the left side of Crib's body; but which was attended with trivial effect. The native champion smartly returned the hit, with a right and left at the head, and one for luck in the body; the Black then closed, and was thrown by his adversary. Thus terminated the first round without bloodshed or injury.

    Second Round.−The combatants set to very sharp, and seemed to verify the opinion which had gone abroad, that they were both fully determined on a manly stand-up fight, to the exclusion altogether of sparring or shifting. A furious rally took place, several hard blows were exchanged on both sides. Crib's did the most execution; his blows having been directed straight forward, whilst those of Molineux were hand over head, given with miraculous power and resolution, but without judgment, insomuch that Crib was enabled to parry them or spoil their effect, by planting the first hit. Crib, on the whole, had the advantage of this round, although he exhibited the first blood.

    Third Round.−Molineux, not the least dismayed at the taste he had had, faced his antagonist courageously this round, who met him with corresponding resolution, and coming in contact with the Black's head, at arm's length with his left hand, made him oy the blow measure his full length on the ground; the lusty Moor was on his legs in a second, and it was "Mungo here, Mungo there, and Mungo everywhere," who anxiously looked round for his customer, who he was prevented meeting until the
     
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    Fourth Round.−In which, after an ineffectual attempt to rally down Crib, the Black received a knockdown blow.

    Fifth Round.−Consisted of straight forward fighting: they both rallied in good style. Molineux persevering in the system of boring down his opponent by main strength, whilst Crib evinced a determination-to prevent him by repeated blows on the head, which failed to have that effect. Towards the finish of this round the Black closed, when it was discerned he was the strongest man, and was as expert in the art of fibbing as Dutch Sam, who was the first that rendered that practice cognizable as part of the science. The Black, by this new manœuvre, ovtained the best of this round.

    Sixth Round.−Was begun by a furious onset, but Crib being over anxious to compliment the Black for a hit he had received, fell, partly from a slip and a blow.

    Seventh Round.−Crib had his revenge this round; the Black rushed on his adversary, according to custom, when he caught a violent blow on the forehead, by which he picked up a handsome rainbow. His cauntenance, however, was not the more clouded on the occasion, and he was the first to come to his time.

    Eight Round.−If it were not invidious to single out any particular round, I would say, that this was the best contested round in the battle; the combatants were still in possession of their full vigour, and had been taught discrimination; they had discovered, also, the weak and strong parts in each other. Crib found out that, if the resolute Moor got him into so reduced a state as make his sledge hammer blows tell, that he should not like his head to be the anvil, and from the determined conduct of his tawney antagonist, things were fast approximating that way.

    It was here, that it would seem, then, the grand push was to be made, in order to give a decided turn to the battle. Crib brought into the struggle his courage, strength, and science, which were not more than sufficient to cope with the persevering and invulnerable Moor. The rally was desperate; success was alternately on the one side and the other; the Black at length fell; but the extraordinary efforts of Crib rendered him more feeble at the end of the round than his adversary.

    Ninth Round.−Was gallantly contested, but Crib was compelled to make play, by the Black following him up, and giving him no quater; neither would he take any, for his head was always at the service of his adversary. He never shrunk from a blow, and his great anxiety was always to return it. Crib evinced weakness, and fell from a hit. The knowing ones exchanged look with each other round the ring, as much as to say, "things look a little *****, master."

    Tenth Round.−By this time the conccit was pretty well taken out of both the heroes,, and it was not to be wondered at, considering how hard they had fought, and how severly they had been punished. The head of Molineux was predigiously swollen; and if the Moor had been an artist he could not have laid on the black and red with a more regular hand on Crib's face, although Crib might think it might have been down with a more delicate touch. In this, as well as the seven successive rounds, Molineux appearedmuch the strongest man; he went into Crib, pell well, without standing for repairs, and rallied him at every part of the rin; and when he got him against the ropes, he either threw him, or encircled his neck with his left arm while he fibbed him with his right hand. If this could not be called murder, it was something like manslaughter; for Crib seemed all the same as in a blacksmith's vice. It was here where there was shown a little national prejudice against the Black; but being of a passive nature, he could derive no injury from it; and, to speak inpartially, and for the honour of pugilism, the strictest fair-play was shown to both parties throughout.

    At the termination of the seventeenth round Crib was so completely exhausted as to be termed dead beat; but it must not be forgotten, that in reducing Crib to this state, Molineux himself was in a tottering condition, but appeared more animated, more gay, and was the first to appear to his time.

    From the seventeenth to the twentieth rounds, Crib appearing to be convinced that he over-shot his mark in supposeing that he could beat Molineux off hand, as he had endeavoured to do, had therefore recourse to his favourite mod of retreating or fighting shy, without which, it appears to me, he must have been compelled to have given in the battle. The Black, naturally presuming this was Crib's forlorn hope, followed him up, and never quitted him until the

    Twenty-third Round−When seeing a falling off in the Black, and feeling himself somewhat recovered, he made play and knocked his man down for the first time for several rounds.

    From the twenty-fourth to the 28th round, bets were considerably reduced; they had been about 4 to 1 on the Black, and now the bets were even.

    Twenty-ninth round was ominons for the Black; he made an effort to get Crib against the ropes, but without effect; neither could he throw him as he had done; after a short rally, he was knocked down by Crib, who seemed more alive and full of confidence than he had been for many rounds before.

    Thirtieth Round.− Crib had not certainly the lead, and finding his antagonist could not keep his legs well, stuck to him until he invariably rallied him down.

    Thirty-first Round, after a short rally, was finished by the Black throwing Crib, but he fell over him in the struggle, by which means he pitched upon his head; and I have heard it from a friend of his, that the hurt he received on this occasion affected him with a giddiness, that he could not stand, and induced him to comminicate to his second (Richman), that he could not longer continue the contest. Richman, however, finding that Crib was also so much exhausted that he could scarcely support himself, encouraged Molineux to try a round of two more; he did so, and, on the termination of the 33d round he fell by an effort to keep his legs; which being termed by Crib's party falling without a blow, the victory claimed in favour of Crib, which would have originated a dispute, had not Molineux again repeated, "I can fight no more."

    Crib, no doubt, was delighted at the declaration, but did not treat the spectators with a Somerset, according to custom. No, indeed, all the strength he had left, was insufficient to support him off the ground without assistance.

    Thus terminated a battle which has not been excelled, in point of hitting and execution, for many years; and while the courage and resolution of the lusty Moor have been extolled to the utmost, the merits of Crib, as a bruizer, will not fail to be duly appreciated by the victory he has gained over so inculnerable an opponent. In this last contest, the struggle, I conceive to have been between science and strength. The advantage that Crib had, by his excelling in the former, the Black had, by superiority in the latter. With respect to coolness and bottom, it is but justice to place them on par. Before I saw the Black set to in this last rencontre, I thought him too irritable and hot; but I am convinced that his impetuosity is only a part of that principle upon which he fights, and which, no doubt, would have proved successful against most men. To be a finished boxer, a man must be possessed of a large portion of natural muscular powers, besides other acquirements, the chief of which is, to learn to hit straight, and with a jerk from the shoulder, without which, as Liston would say, "It is all my eye and Betty Martin." The Black is only deficient in this accomplishment. His style of fighting comes near to that of Bully Hooper of Ruffian memory. That battle lasted 55 minutes.
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  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    That report contradicts a lot of the stuff written on the bout, but I'm not sure it should be taken as gospel, considering the racial and nationalist bias.

    For now I withhold judgement.

    I'll add in Senya's corrections for future ease in the title, and parts of round 8 that I couldn't read
     
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    The newspaper was "The Courier", there's no "and Evening Gazette".

    Eighth Round.--If it were not invidious to single out any particular round, I would say, that this was the best contested round in the battle; the combatants were still in possession of their full vigour, and had been taught discrimination; they had discovered, also, the weak and strong parts in each other. Crib found out that, if the resolute Moor got him into so reduced a state as make his sledge hammer blows tell, that he should not like his head to be the anvil, and from the determined conduct of his tawney antagonist, things were fast approximating that way.

    It was here, that it would seem, then, the grand push was to be made, in order to give a decided turn to the battle. Crib brought into the struggle his courage, strength, and science, which were not more than sufficient to cope with the persevering and invulnerable Moor. The rally was desperate; success was alternately on the one side and the other; the Black at length fell; but the extraordinary efforts of Crib rendered him more feeble at the end of the round than his adversary.
     
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    Interesting.

    No reference to the crowd interference that some claim.
     
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    Supposodly Egan referenced an incident, but quite different from often claimed. It'd be intesting to compare a few accounts.

    I think it's the bit in the tenth round
     
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    The Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser 15th December 1810
    The great battle betwixt Crib and Molyneux, the American Black, on which the whole sporting attention is devoted, will take place on Wednesday se'nnight, aout 30 miles from London. The pugilists have both been several weeks in training, Crib in Kent, and Molyneux in Hertfordshire.— Crib has been reduced a stone. So great is the attention paid to the objects of this approaching contest, that they are daily visited by patrician bands. Molyneux has received an invitation to shoot and course on a gentleman's park, where he encountered the gamekeeper on Monday last. The latter not being aware of the indulgence given to Molyneux, attempted to take away his piece, but he was saluted with a somerset over the park paling. Molyneux has much improved in training, and he expreses confidence of vanquishing the sturdy champion his adversary.—It is generally allowed that Crib never had a more ugly customer, but there is little doubt that he will give the d—l his due!
     
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    Hereford Journal - Wednesday 02 October 1811
    Cribb and Molineux.—On Saturday the long talked of battle, which has excited so much attention in every quater of the kingdom, took place between the rival candidates for Pugilistic fame, at Thistleton Gap, in Wymondham, Leicestershire. At about half-past eleven nearly 15,000 people had assembled in a large stubble-field, on which a 25 feet stage was erected. At twelve the combatants appeared, and at 18 minutes past prepared to set to. Cribb's seconds were Gully and Ward, and the Black's Richmond and Gibbons. The battle laste 19minutes and 10 seconds; fought in 11 rounds, as follows:—
    Round 1. A right-handed blow told slightly on the body of the Black, who returned it slightly on the head. A rally followed, when the Black was knocked down by a hit on the throat.
    2. Cribb showed first blood from the mouth at setting to. A dreadful rally, by mutual consent, was commenced, and Cribb put in a good body hit, with the right hand, when Molineux returned it on the head with the left flush. Closing followed, when Cribb was thorwn in a trial of strength.
    3. Cribb's right eye was nearly closed in the last rally, and another here followed of a sanguinary nature, after sparring for wind, in which the Black was deficient. Cribb put i a dreadful doubler on the body of the Black, but although he was hit away, he kept his legs, and renewed the rally with a fury which excited alarm amoung the Coguoscenti. Cribb in the rally hit right and left at the body and head, and the Black fought at the head alone, and wasso succesful with the left hand, that he planted some dexterous flush hits, and Cribb bled at the mouth, and was damaged in both eyes. The rally lasted a minute and a half, and in close Cribb was thrown a heavy fall. The fall evinced the astonishing and superior strength of the Black. He grasped Cribb round the body with one hand; while he supported himself with the other resting on the railing of the stage, and in this position gave him a cross-buttick, throwing him completely over with force upon the stage. To an an ordinary spectator the Black was winning the fight in a hurry.
    4. Cribb's head was much disfigured, and the Black
    s wind was treacherous. The former bled from every organ, but he smiled, renewed the rally with heroism never excelled, and hits in abundance were exchanged, Cribb still fighting at the body-mark with his right hand, and the Black at the head. Cribb fell with a slight hit, and manifest first weakness.
    5. Rallying was renewed by Molineux, and the execution on both sides was terrific. The Black had the best of the determined rally, and Cribb fell from a blow, and received another in falling.
    6. The Black, fatigued by want of wind, lunged right and left, but he was avoided, and he made a good stop of Cribb's right hand. Cribb put in a destructive right-handed blow at his body mark, which doubled his m up, and he got away pitifully distressed. He appeared frantic on renewing a rally, anxious to go in, but alarmed at the consequences, and he capered about like a dancing master, to the amusement of Cribb and his friends. He hit short, and was abroad, Cribb followed him round the stage and did astonishing execution, and floored him with a blow at great length.
    7. Molineux run in on a rally intemperately, and did some execution, but Cribb hit him several blows as violent as can be figered, about the neck and jugular, and after a rally of one minute, the Black fell from hurts and weakness.
    8. Molineux in the forlorn hope, again rallied at ill-judged distance, and after Cribb had again nobbed him, he got his head under the left arm, and fibbed until the Black fell.
    9. Molineux was dead beat, and only fought to encounter Cribb's death-like blows. In running in, Cribb met him with his left hand, and broke his jaw, and he fell like a log. He did not come to time, but Cribb have away this chance, and went in again and floored his man, after hitting him halfdown and up again.
    10. Molineux with difficulty got off his second's knee for fresh punishment, but he made a desperate unsuccessful effort, and fell from distress.
    11. This round ended the fight, after Cribb had given away another chance about time, but the Black's sense were hit out of him; and after he had received another knock-down, he was unable again to stand, and victory was announced by Gully and Cribb accompanied by shouts of applause from the populace.
    After the battle Cribb, accompanied by Gully, set out for the bull on Witham Common; and Molineux, who had laid down on the stage, as soon as he could be removed, proceeded with his friends to the Royal Oak, at Grantham, where he was put to bed. A Surgeon immediately attended, and, upon examining him, it was ascertained that his jaw-bone and two of his ribs are fractured, and that he is in a very dangerous state, the jugular vein being greatly injured. In this battle the Black showed science equal to Cribb, and many felt surprised he was beat so soon; but when we recollect that in the former battle, Crib was far from being in good condition for fighting, and that in the present one he was in the best possible order, the surprise must cease.—Cribb
    s hits were insupportable to the hardiest frame, and certainly had the Black possessed more courage than it is possible for man to be gifted with, he could not have withstood such muderous hits.—Cribb after the fight observed, he would sooner go through such another combat, than go through another training up the Highlands of Scotland, after his patron and trainer, Captain Barclay. He will benefit 100l. by his victory, but he has solemnly declared that nothing shall ever tempt him to fight another battle. The public, perhaps, are not aware that he is a coal marchant, and carried on business at his house in White Lionsquare. The Black, when at the Coach-and-Horses, in Stamford, on Thursday lat, is said to have declared that "he would kill Cribb if he could." This savage expression has greatly diminished the commiseration which his fate would have otherwise excited.
     
  10. PhillyPhan69

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    Good thread bro! You mentioned the lack of replies to serious threads such as this as part of the reason for so many “goof” threads.

    The reason I have not responded is I really have little to nothing of value to add to this thread lol.

    But I have and do appreciate reading it and all of the digging you have done to unearth some of this stuff and give it the platform it deserves!

    Keep em coming...my silence does not mean I am not reading and learning.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Anything you'd like me to look into? I mostly like trying to find stuff that hasn't already been well researched. (Though in this case, it was mostly because the information I'd heard was so conflicting).
     
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    Lol not really off the top of my head (although I am fascinated by George Godfrey at the minute)...but two weeks ago I didn’t know I would be interested in this!
     
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