Tomasz Adamek ~vs~ Michael Grant

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Jul 11, 2010.


  1. Loufatski

    Loufatski Boxing Junkie banned

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    Adamek is known worldwide, and not just trying to get known in America. The Euro market is only as tough as the Klitschkos, Haye, and Adamek himself. Fighting Grant is clever, as in basically having a live sparring session in preparation for the tall Klitschko brothers.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    What's especially interesting is that Michael Grant was scheduled to be Hasim Rahman's comeback opponent in December 2009...and then in February of this year we were supposed to have had Tomasz Adamek vs. Hasim Rahman.

    Now it's Adamek vs. Grant. :think

    Perhaps Rahman next, if he keeps crushing cans?
     
  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I like Adamek a lot, but realitsically, he needs to pick and choose his opponents very carefully.

    The reality is, he is NOT a true heavyweight.

    I think even Grant poses a huge (both literally and figuratively) test for him.

    Even if Adamek faces a bunch of relatively safe, carefully selected opponents he could run in to the wrong punch even against a guy you would think he should beat.

    Now, I now he has cheeeeen and all, but still....these guys are big and strong.

    Bloodworth is working on him to become more of a stick and move guy as a heavyweight which is extremely smart. But still, how long can Adamek continue winning?

    With Briggs seemingly in the mix, Haye looking for soft defenses, Tua working his way into the picture and a couple of other mandatories, Adamek is going to be competing for this title shot and as I see it--the sooner he gets it the better.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Rummy, do you think Rahman, even shot, still packs too much of a serious heavyweight punch to be a safe bet for Adamek considering that the reward (both monetarily and in terms of credibility) is far from worth the risk of blowing a huge payday or title fight?

    Let's say Goral can take some big shots from Grant, for instance. Would Rahman still be a bad move?
     
  5. Rumsfeld

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    I don't know IB.

    I just think that with Adamek, the accumulation of punishment he has received throughout his career can catch up with him from a single well-placed, well-timed punch.

    I was ringside at his fight with Estrada. Jason caught him really nice with some punches Adamek never saw coming. In fact, for the first five rounds or so it seemed Estrada couldn't miss with his left hook. Estrada told me afterwards that Adamek was smart and made an adjustment after that, but it's those punches you don't see coming that really seem to get these guys.

    I think Arreola hits much harder than Estrada, but Estrada was able to 'stun' him a bit more often (even if Arreola had Adamek more seriously hurt in two or three instances).

    Adamek is getting up there in age and he is battleworn. I'm afraid he might be too brave for his own good at this point.

    So in answer to your question--yeah, I think Rahman and Grant are both threats to Adamek, I really do.

    I think he SHOULD BEAT BOTH OF THEM.

    But how long can Adamek keep winning against these guys who are naturally so much bigger and stronger?

    I just hope he doesn't suffer any setbacks before he lands a total shot, hopefully in the next 8-12 months (realistically). I'm not sure that will be the case.
     
  6. Boom_Boom

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    Horrible fight, Grant probably cant beat Timur Ibragimov at this point in his career.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

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    You see? I think a lot of people are viewing it this way, but I'm not seeing it.

    I've stood next to Adamek before several times. He is NOT as tall as they claim. He really doesn't have the frame for this, even if he is filling out better in his new weight class than when he first started and looked a bit tubby against Golota.

    I think the sheer size of Grant makes this intriguing.

    Granted, I haven't actually seen Grant fight in years, so maybe I'm just fixed on some late 90s version of Grant who no longer exists.

    But even if Grant is as shot as some are saying (is he actually THAT shot?) he is still a big strong guy, and anyone with size and strength is a potential thread to Adamek, who is really just a blown up cruiserweight.
     
  8. Boom_Boom

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    I think so, there is nothting that indicates he has anything in the tank anymore. His record looks fresh right now since he hadnt had a loss for awhile but so did McCall before fighting Timur. Even in his prime Grant would be frustrated with Tomas because it was sure to go for 12 round,s that is if Grant didnt crumble. The fight does nothing to market Adamek but is a small test to see how he would do against someone the size of the Klit brothers.
     
  9. Pusnuts

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    I reckon he can take Grant , maybe late TKO or pts if Grant still has a bit in the tank but I wouldnt favour him even vs Haye unless he grows into the weight better and shows a bit more power
     
  10. Ivo

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    I have seen Grant since losing to McCline and that was long ago. I did not get to see the Guinn fight. So basically I know nothing about his currnet situation.

    It is a good move for Adamek. It will give him the idea of fighting KlitschKOs even though Grant's style is completely different.
     
  11. drowller

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    latest video from adamek training camp.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY85OiZmpIs[/ame]
     
  12. bailey

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    I would have to disagree. The European market is much tougher than just the Klitschkos and Haye. Adamek has fought Estrada, Arreola and soon Grant, but in the European scene there is Valuev, Povetkin, Chagaev, Boystov, Sosnowski, Pianeta, Helenius, Ustinov or even Platov to a lesser degree.
     
  13. Wiesiek

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    Adamek will ko him in the mid rounds and make it look very easy.

    I dont see it going the distance, ppl are accusing adamek of featherfistness in the hw, but the fact is the guys he failed to ko have incredibly strong chins. Estrada was never down in his amateur or pro career, and arreola took hundreds of bombs from Vitaly and didnt go down either.

    Like when? Dont always trust the commentary. I ve seen this fight like 5 times already and adamek was never hurt, off balance, back pedalling, yes, but definitely not hurt let alone "seriously"
     
  14. DamonD

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    Well let's not go overboard on the macho bull****...you get hit hard, as Adamek did, it hurts. He wasn't weeble-wobbling about ready to go down, but if he didn't feel those shots then he needs to quit boxing pronto! A nervous system that screwed up could potentially lead to life threatening injury if you can't register pain correctly!

    I'm overdoing it, but you get the point ;) Adamek took the shots and held up, that's more than good enough without the 'no pain' hyperbole.

    Puritty, Wooden, Butler, Cole, Izon, Sullivan, Savarese, Davis, Martinez, King and Marinaccio fights spring to mind. Along with the Golota one obviously.

    Grant's defence has never exactly been polished and he took a fair few full dings even before the Golota fight...up to that point he'd actually looked pretty solid in the chin department. When a decent puncher like Savarese is catching you full in the face with a left hook and you carry on like nothing happened, it's a good sign. Which turned out to be a wrong sign of course...

    Atlas, unfortauntely, is one of the biggest reasons Grant never made it. I don't doubt Atlas's intentions were good, but they were total oil & water and Grant's zero self confidence was caused by Atlas, not despite Atlas.

    They were due to be on the same card, but not fighting each other.
    Although the promoter, Nick Garone, did say Grant felt his training was going so well that he jokingly asked if he could fight Rahman next.

    If Adamek gets past Grant, I assume he'd push on heavily for a title shot.
    But...does Rahman still have a decent ranking with the alphabets? I could see why Adamek-Rahman could be an option, even if not a fantastic one.