Tommy Burns Fantastic Courage At RushCutters Bay

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Tommy Burns gets a pretty bad rap most of the time, but re-reading Adam Pollack's graphic account of his last title defence against Jack Johnson, featured in his brilliant Vol 1 of " Jack Johnson The Rise," you cannot help but admire his guts and courage in taking the fight to Johnson ,all the while being systematically beaten to a pulp by a bigger, stronger ,cleverer man.

    Burns was down 5 times,his face disfigured, his jaw swollen, mouth gashed, eyes closed, by a man who continually taunted him and whom he could not hurt himself.
    Yet he never stopped attacking his tormentor nor trying to win. He lost like a champion ,and his successor commended him for his gameness and pluck afterwards.
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I agree. Burns was an interesting fighter.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    He was certainly a tough one.
     
  5. he grant

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    Burns, like so many others, gets a bum rap by history ..... he was a terrific fighter for his time for sure, a big time puncher and tough as nails. He had a ton of heart and unlike Sullivan and Jeffries did not hide behind the color line.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Can't argue with that.:good

    ps Where's your friend got to?
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    But what of Burns' jaundice and Johnson's broken ribs afterward?

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  8. cross_trainer

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    You forgot to mention his voluptuous hips.
     
  9. LittleRed

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    Johnson swaddled the man.
     
  10. Bummy Davis

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    lets not forget Burns was 5'7 and 170lbs...Great fighter Burns and lots of heart....Johnson beat a short super-middleweight
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Who happened to be the world's heavyweight champion. A man who had beaten all the heavyweights who had challenged him.
     
  12. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he certainly didn't lack balls.he had every disadvantage going against Johnson.
     
  13. janitor

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    Johnson didn't just take Burns's title that day, he took his reputation as well.

    A shame in many ways, because Burns was a lot better than that fight might suggest.

    He had some significant stylistic disadvantages against Hart as well.
     
  14. mcvey

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    I think the emphatic manner of Johnson's total domination of Burns ,and the fact that Burns clearly beat Hart possibly indicates that Alex Creggains might have got it wrong when he gave his decision in the Hart v Johnson fight.
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It might nudge you in that direction, but it would be a very dangerous inference to make.

    I think that we will have to have an open verdict on Johnson Hart, unless something new emerges.