Tommy Burns vs. Duncan Dokiwari

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Prime for Prime. 12 rounds..

    this man-mountain...

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    versus this fistic marvel...

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  2. Danmann

    Danmann Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Burns, at least he had title defended it, and lasted 14 with Jack Johnson. What did D.D. ever do? Why even make a thread like this?
     
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  3. fastseo39

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    My Favorites Tommy Burn Because He is a great fighter
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    What? Are we now only allowed to ask the questions which will give the sort of answers preferred on this board, which will enforce the preferred narrative?

    I would suggest that Dokiwari would have a scent chance of KO'ing Burns in short order.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    I was watching a documentary about old-time champs a week ago, and Burns stands out as looking more modern than any of his peers. I mean he looks more modern than Johnson who thrashed him. It interested me. He was a breath of fresh air when viewed back to back with Corbett etc.
     
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  6. Ramon Rojo

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    Dokiwari by KO in the first round.
     
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  7. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Well.......never heard about any Dokiwai.....so, I can´t say nothing on this :lol:
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

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    Burns more modern than Jack Johnson? get outta here. Burns is luckily the only existing film of him is him blasting away protected white gooftroopers
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Yeah, he definitely looks more modern than Johnson. Johnson doesn't look modern at all. In fact Johnson is one of those stylists that branched off into a different stream in terms of boxing evolution, one that died.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Here is Burns with Squires.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUDIXdef9rU[/ame]

    The way Burns gives ground, up on his toes, small increments whilst remaining posted, giving the angle as well as giving ground is a real forerunner of things to come. You can also see him here posting the jab ahead of the right hand. The way he uses the clinch to limit his opponents offence rather than to deploy his own. The way he puts the left hook over the right hand at the very end. A lot of these things are still in the game today, or something very like them.

    Johnson on the other hand, is more of his time.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnMJL36_oCs&feature=relmfu[/ame]

    Johnson likes to lean back, a variation on the stance the bare-knuckle guys used. He then lunges. His stance is very narrow and very "best foot forwards". He spends a lot of time wrestling, holding, and trying to score offence from a clinch. He likes single jabs and there's often no right hand behind it, he's not really into the one-two at all. He did throw that combo though. Basically, most of what Johnson did has been binned.
     
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  11. SuzieQ49

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    Wow, that film despite being a historical marvel, was painful to the eyes. Both looks very amatuerish. Burns, is clearly the better fighter though. He actually understands a bit about timing and distance. Poor squires, he is terrible. Still not impressed with burns, he looks 'ok' knocking out perhaps the worst fighter ever caught on film(save peter courtney). He still keeps low hands, he slaps at times with his punches, he doesn't seem to have great leverage, doesn't plant his toes when he punches, he's herky jerky with his upperbody movement, he doesn't have great tools(power, speed, chin), and he is tiny.

    Watch Johnson-Burns that gives you a real indicator of Burns against a world class heavyweight. He looks like a small child, he looks so outclassed it's pathetic. Not one second in that fight was Burns even remotely in it. Perhaps the worst asswhupping ever caught on film. Johnson toys with burns, mocks him, laughs at burn's best punches, then proceedes to mandhandle him. Johnson could have knocked Burns out at any time he chose to do so. I believe Johnson could have grabbed Burns by the hair bent him over, stuck a dildo up Burns' ass, and tommy would not have been able to do anything about it.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    He "looks like a small child" because he is two weight-classes smaller, and he is out-classed because he is not as good.

    You could move Danny Williams to that era and he too, would look inferior to Johnson. He would also look more modern.
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

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    I think the guys who look more modern are the guys who look fluid, smooth, relaxed in the ring, but have cat quick reflexes. All that herky jerky baloney, wasted movements that's not modern. Langford looks modern, except I don't like his lack of head movement.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Your confusing modern with smooth with good reflexes. The former is a technical state, the later are physical attributes.

    You also seem to be forgetting that the Burns film is sped up.
     
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I don't know what to say, but... :thumbsup
     
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