Tommy Hearns or Alexis Arguello, who's more accomplished?

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  1. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Different weights, Alexis never big enough to challange the skyscraper Hearns. I'm just wondering who accomplished more in their careers?
    To me Hearns seemed to have more "superfights" vs. Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Cuevas and Benitez. Tommy went 3-2-1 2 KO's against those guys.
    Arguello's "superfights" would be vs Rubin Olivares and Aaron Pryor; Arguello was 1-2 against those guys all w's/l's all by KO.
    Hearns seemed to devestate his welter opponents while Arguello, a hard hitter himself, seemed to wear them down over time.
     
  2. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    good comparison . i think these 2 r close p4p and very similar in many aspects but i think Hearns edges it . His losses r more excusable and were 2 better fighters than Arguello's . I don't count Arguello's losses 2 Pryor , nor Hearns' loss 2 Leonard , I count Arguello's losses 2 Pryor even less , and Hearns' other losses were usually more removed from his prime time and/or weight , etc than Arguello's . Wasn't Hearns also d better infighter of d2 ?
     
  3. Flea Man

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    Arguello's resume is much, much deeper.
     
  4. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    This, though I prefer Tommy's top wins.
     
  5. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns has the deeper better record to me. More greats on his resume than Arguello and more iconic a fighter. You don't face guys like Pipino Cuevas,Sugar Ray Leonard,Wilfred Benitez,Roberto Duran,Marvin Hagler, Virgil Hill, Iran Barkley and many many more including Bruce Curry and Randy Shields and not have a better resume.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Same could be said for Arguello if we're counting guys he also lost to. Legra, Marcel, Pryor, Olivares, Chacon, Limon, Boza, Navarette, Hernandez, Escalera, Ramirez, Watt, Mancini, and many others.

    It's close, and not like you're putting it at all IMO. I'd suggest you do more research on Arguello's opposition.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    This is fair, I can see either man anywhere between 26-40.
     
  8. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    and Nate Miller who stopped both Orlin Norris and Bert Cooper , was never stopped as a pro and went d distance with other CW champions like james Warring and others . Somehow Miller vs Hearns went d distance , i guess Miller carried Hearns 4 a reason he won't tell .
     
  9. MAG1965

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    Very difficult. Both great resumes. I am always partial to Tommy since I think his resume of fighting a legend in each weight class he fought was exceptional. Arguello exceptional also. It is hard to do these comparisons.
     
  10. MMJoe

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    I just added a poll, hopefully not too little too late.
     
  11. MMJoe

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    I think Hearns has a better record in "superfights" (whatever the **** that is).
    The first-person-to-win-five-titles-in-five-weight-divisions thing I am just going to ignore because there is just too many divisions now and the many world titles per division. So winning world "titles" seems more and more removed from winning a world "championship" as time goes by. Now we have "superworld" "diamond" "silver" world titles, it's a ****ing joke. You could win 20 titles and still come up under Arguellos accomplishment of 3, none of which were unified titles.
     
  12. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True but does that means he accomplished more? Debatable. Hard to argue with the first ever 5 weight division world champ in my mind although Arguello has 3 of his own. Tough one for me too call as I'm not really an expert on either of their careers so I'll pay close attention tom the rest of your guys replies.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    In terms of attributes it's 'what you like' tough for me. Both lanky whatever weight they scaled, Tomny was quicker and had the better feet in terms of outlanouvering his man when he wanted to chance tact(or had to, when he relied on his jab against Benitez for example, and brilliantly if I may add) both are in my top 5 punchers all time. Both destructive guys, Hearns a freakish sharpshooter, Arguello a patient and clinical stalker. Arguello was more durable and way more poised under fire. So they both have advantages over the other in different areas which could be exploited/implemented over different styles accordingly. Neither man was infallible at all their weights and both have a consensus physical peak at their first ascension (Arguello 130, Hearns 154). They are very comparable! :good

    When you're comparing fighters this great (and both are of the '2nd tier' IMO: not an 'Alien' a la Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Duran etc etc) but amongst the very greatest fighters ever without a doubt, so I'm not cussing anyone.

    But Arguello had dominant reigns over 3 weightclasses. Hearns did have greater obstacles in his way (Leonard, Hagler) and some quality top level wins, but his 2nd tier wins are way outstripped by Arguello's. Also, Hearns was beaten twice by a Barkley-level fighter (it happens) but had a win I rate very highly over Hill.

    As I say, very close, but there's just more to Arguello for me, as well as losing his fights against the very, very best he fought, who at their respective weights are H2H beasts akin to Marv' (160) and Ray (147) at theirs; Marcel (126) and Pryor (140) even if in terms of fully-fledge greatness they fall well short of the other two names.
     
  14. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Not saying anything lol. TBF both are great fighters and I don't know too much about Arguello's resume bar Mancini, of course Pryor, Olivares, Rooney, Marcel u know the basic ones. Haven't gotten deep into his resume but will see the occassional AA fights soon. Hearns may have the more "notable" wins but they both may be on par or one slightly above the other.
     
  15. CassiusClayAli

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    They are very close to each other in the same great era of fighters fighting fighters. I pick Thomas Hearns. He fought real legends in every division he fought! Alexis is great but I don't think honestly you can compare his fights to Hearns. And Hearns fought guys like Roldan and Andries as time wasting fights and made them look like amatuers. I don't think you have many fighters with the resume of Hearns if you count win loss look at his list!