Tommy Hearns vs Carlos Monzon. 160 pounds

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  1. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think it is more than safe to say Tommy was not a massive puncher at 160. In fact his KO percentage above 154 is just over 50.
     
  2. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't expect any middleweight to stop Hagler. Get off the Hagler nonsense. It's Marvin Hagler, enough said.
     
  3. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Everybody has a higher KO percentage in their first weight class because for the first 15-20 fights or so you're fighting cab drivers building your record.
     
  4. mcvey

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    You brought Hagler up I didn't! Saying he was stunned by
    Hearns .Hagler went back to his corner and told his seconds Hearns didn't hit as hard as he thought he did!

    Look, I'll spell it out for you.

    Thomas Hearns stopped two middleweights! That does not qualify him as " an absolutely devastating puncher at 160 pounds"
    To state it does is frankly ludicrous.
    Neither would Hearns chin hold up against Monzon's right hand, 2 of the 5 middleweights Hearns fought stopped him and neither hit as hard as Monzon ,Rondon had him wobbling too.
    Monzon is a top 3 atg middle, many would say he is the number one! Hearns is not even top 15!
     
  5. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you don't think a guy who regularly stops guys at 200 pounds doesn't hit hard at 160 then I don't know what to tell you.

    He stunned the GOAT chin with a single punch.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Name me all these 200lbs guys Hearns regularly stopped.
    I've already given you Hagler's opinion of Hearns power

    You're right on one thing,you don't know what to tell me. :good
     
  7. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You just said Hearns only KO'ed 2 of 5 Middles he fought. Then you said don't bring up Hagler despite him being one of the 5 opponents he fought there. Then you say Hagler didn't respect Hearns power.

    You're making my head hurt.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Two thirds of Hearns stoppages were at welterweight .


    There's no getting around this.
     
  9. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course most of his stoppages were at 147. Most of his fights were there. As well as the beginning of his career where he fought bums.
     
  10. 2piece

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    Shuler, Roldan, and Kinchen off the top of my head.
     
  11. mcvey

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    This is what I said.

    "You brought Hagler up I didn't!"

    "Hagler went back to his corner and told his seconds Hearns didn't hit as hard as he thought he did!"


    Maybe you need reading glasses?

    Hearns ko'd two middleweights was kod by two and went the distance with another Doug Dewitt ,Dewitt was stopped in 3 rds byJose Quinones in his next fight.stopped in7 by Sumbu Kalambay.stopped in by Nigel Benn and stopped in 6 by James Toney. [Of those 4 only Benn was a top drawer puncher.]
    That is Hearns sum total resume at 160 pounds.
     
  12. red cobra

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    Monzon, whom I consider to be the #1 middleweight champ of all time, would have been too smart, rugged and strong for Hearns, and would have ko'ed him within 10 rounds.
     
  13. Longhhorn71

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    Briscoe hurt Monzon, & Valdez scored a knockdown on Monzon. Hearns is 2 inches taller with a 2-inch longer reach. If Hearns tags Monzon with the Duran grade right hand early, ...then Hearns by TKO.

    Otherwise, Monzon by 12 round stoppage in a 15 rd fight (in Europe or Argentina).
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Monzon could take a punch...sure he got hurt by Briscoe and Valdez,...but he BEAT those two guys. He got up to win like the great fighters did...those shots from BB and Valdez would have killed Hearns. Hearns' punch resistance wasn't up to snuff really...it's what discredits him as a fighter overall. Tommy usually fell to pieces when bombed.
    Also, James Kinchen and Iran Barkley were able to deck and ko Hearns respectively,...neither as effective a puncher as Monzon was. Carlos would have broken Tommy.
     
  15. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kind of unfair to talk about the Barkley fight when Hearns had by that point absorbed two heavy, brutal KO losses.

    Hard to come back from that the same.